On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Avery Pennarun <apenwarr@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Felipe Contreras > <felipe.contreras@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> I'm not going to go into details as why I think no warning was issued, >> just that we need this: >> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/WikiIdeas#Allow_users_to_see_deleted_pages > > Keep in mind that 99% of the unwanted crud that gets posted to a wiki > is spam and absolutely doesn't deserve a fair warning before it gets > deleted. Just based purely on the list of usernames that was posted > earlier, it looked mainly like spammers to me. Sure, if it's clearly spam (as in created by a spam bot) it doesn't deserve a warning, but as Amir's case demonstrates, not all of the deleted content was like that. > If you want to implement a huge big process before deleting/banning > users, you'll want to be sure what you're getting into. There's no big process: warn before you ban if the user is not a bot. Simple. > I personally don't think that anything that was done originally was > necessarily wrong, or that the wiki management itself needs to be > fixed. If it were possible for people to simply look at deleted > pages, this thread would have been "Hey, you deleted me and it was > unwarranted!" -> Someone checks it out -> "No, it was warranted, don't > post swearwords to user pages" -> "Oops, sorry" -> Unbanned. That can't be right because the reason wasn't that, but "Spamming links to external sites", and that hasn't even been decided yet. But if that's what you meant, here's a more likely case: 1) Join the wiki 2) Fill the user page as requested 3) Get blocked permanently 4) Give up Just by having a *temporary* ban instead of a permanent one (when the user is clearly not a spam bot) would not have only decreased the thread, but it wouldn't have happened in the first place and wouldn't have caused the case I just mentioned. > The thread went on as long as it did simply because verification was > impossible. No, it did because there was no admin willing to fix the problem: unban. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe git" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html