Hi all, A couple different lines of discussion are in this thread, the correct way to implement Overlay in regular sRGB, the effect of linear gamma blending with respect to changing w3 standards, how to deal with legacy blend modes after the switch to linear light image editing. An implicit assumption seems to be that linear light blending is *always* more correct than blending in the regular sRGB color space. While Normal blending requires linear light to be radiometrically correct (to work like real light works), I'm not so sure about the Overlay blend mode. Overlay doesn't really have a physical counterpart, does it? And doesn't the Overlay blend mode have a mathematically built-in assumption that the color space being used is reasonably close to being perceptually uniform? Consider the following: The Overlay blend mode has an inflection point at 0.50 on a scale from 0 to 1, where you switch from Multiply to Screen. People refer to the the Overlay inflection point as "50% gray". But the phrase "50% gray" is misleading. It sounds like "middle gray" but it isn't. "50% gray" is always R=G=B=127, regardless of the gamma/tone rsponse curve of the RGB color space in which the blending is being done. In the sRGB color space, "50% gray" is very close to "middle gray", but only because sRGB is almost perceptually uniform. "Middle gray" itself is an ambiguous phrase, but it never means "50% gray". It might mean: Lab values of L=50, a=b=0 (sRGB: R=G=B=119) 18% gray (sRGB: R=G=B=118) 13% (really 12.9%) gray (sRGB: R=G=B=99) 12% gray (sRGB: R=G=B=97) Below are corresponding Lab->RGB values if the image is in the regular sRGB color space: 0->0 10->27 20->48 30->70 40->94 50->119 Overlay inflection point is when R=G=B=127, which is when Lab L=53, very close to Lab middle gray - all values below are multiplied, all values above are screened. 53->127 60->144 70->171 80->198 90->226 100->255 Now consider the Lab to RGB values for linear light sRGB: 0->0 10->3 20->8 30->16 40->29 50->47 53->54 60->71 70->103 Overlay inflection point is when R=G=B=127, which is when Lab L=76, half-way between middle gray and max white - all values below are multiplied, all values above are screened. 80->144 90->194 100->100 Four uses for Overlay blend mode (any other uses?): 1. To increase mid-tone contrast while compressing shadows and highlights. 2. When creating a gaussian glow 3. When doing high pass sharpening. 4. When using a "50% gray" layer for dodging/burning Focusing on the first use, when an image is overlayed over itself in the regular sRGB color space, the effect is *exactly* the same as applying a more or less symetric S-curve which increases mid-tone contrast and compresses shadows and highlights. This is usually what people want to have happen. I can provide the curves values if anyone is interested. But because the Overlay inflection point is defined as 0.5, or R=G=B=127 (regardless of the color space gamma/tone response curve), in a *linear light* color space Overlay blending an image with itself produces a very different outcome. In a linear light color space the shadows are crushed to 0, the midtones are shifted down toward the shadows, and the highlights aren't compressed much at all. This not particularly useful result is at odds with probably all the reasons why we might want to use Overlay blend mode. It seems to me that instead of "50% gray" a more reasonable inflection point for the overlay mode in digital image editing (at least in linear light) would be Lab (50,0,0) to preserve the effect of stretching midtones and compressing shadows and highlights. I suspect the formulas for Multiply and Screen could use some tweaking, too, to accomodate linear light blending. Sorry this post is so long! Elle -- http://ninedegreesbelow.com Articles and tutorials on open source digital imaging and photography _______________________________________________ gimp-developer-list mailing list gimp-developer-list@xxxxxxxxx https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer-list
