Hi all, recent discussion on gimp-user brought up some usuability issues of the JPEG export dialog [1]. Actually, there's nothing new to say about it... the big "JPEG quality" thread did cover it all [2]. However, due to the sheer size of that thread, i think a summary of open issues is useful. I. Displayed value range for the quality slider It's surprisingly delicate to choose an innocuous range for that slider: - 0..100 is an invitation for confusion: 100 = 100% quality = 100% information?!? - using the same range as another application makes it easy to think those settings were comparable between the applications. (Which they usually are not, for various reasons). Photoshop uses 0.. 12 for "save as JPEG" 0..100 for "save for web" Lightroom: 0..100 - starting at 0 feels odd: zero quality = nothing at all = no image?!? - other don'ts: photoshop allows slider stops between numbers, but doesn't display the corresponding values [3] II. Range of actually useful values for IJG quality value For GIMP's target users less than half of all possible settings are useful: http://yahvuu.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/ijgqualityrange.png or, in ASCII: 0 . . no-go: blocky garbage . 60 . if in dire need 80 90 the sweet spot 95 . no-go: just wastes disk space -- ever heard of XCF? 100 The IJG library takes an integer for the quality value, so there are only about 15-35 distinct useful settings for the quality slider. (don't beat me on the exact numbers, i'm willing to provide suitable image comparisons when/if these numbers become important) III. Parameter Triaging The "Subsampling" parameter is more important than its current position inside the "advanced parameters" section suggests. Photoshop is the reference here -- it automatically switches from 2x2 to 1x1 subsampling for the higher quality settings [4]. regards, yahvuu [1] https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-user/2010-January/016436.html [2] http://marc.info/?l=gimp-developer&m=118377279721823&w=2 [3] https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-user/2010-January/016493.html [4] http://blogs.gnome.org/raphael/2007/10/23/mapping-jpeg-compression-levels-between-adobe-photoshop-and-gimp-24/ _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer