Anyway. The real problem isn't Wilber in the toolbox, it's justa another inconsistency.
The real problem are all the inconsistencies that have gone into a STABLE release. A release that was supposed to solve a lot of UI problems, but looks like an alpha quality release from the UI viewpoint.
The most glaring example I can see right now is the supposed transformation of the Toolbox and the dockable dialogs in utility windows. It actually makes the situation worse. Now, if I minimize the "main" window, I can't minimize the other ones. Isn't it great? I really hope it's a bug, because if it isn't and it passed the almighty UI Team, then I suggest to get another one, because that sucks really bad.
I'll continue to use GIMP anyway. I really like to use free software and the superior scriptability of GIMP, but we should begin to learn from the other projects and tackle the real problem in GIMP. It's not the lack of capabilities, it's not what under the hood. It's the interface.
Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate all the hard work all the developers have been doing, but it's very frustrating when you are trying to advocate a great free program and get bitten by the most interested party.
Best regards to everyone.
Flávio.
Em Sáb, 2008-10-04 às 16:38 +0000, Alchemie foto\grafiche escreveu:
Fl?vio Pontes <flaviocpontes@xxxxxxxxx> Wrote is not a good > indicator for > a drop target. Not one of the ppl I showed it - all of them > designers - > recognized it as a drop target and, frankly, the image in > there is > simply wrong. If we need to make it recognizable as a drop > target, we > need to make it a drop target icon, that's all do you have a example for a "recognizable drop target "? --- Sab 4/10/08, gimp-developer-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <gimp-developer-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto: > Da: gimp-developer-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <gimp-developer-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Oggetto: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 73, Issue 10 > A: gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Data: Sabato 4 ottobre 2008, 18:07 > Send Gimp-developer mailing list submissions to > gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > gimp-developer-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gimp-developer-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Gimp-developer digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gimp 2.6. Segfault (Stephan Hegel) > 2. Re: Automatically save curves file (Kent Tenney) > 3. Re: Automatically save curves file (David Gowers) > 4. Re: Automatically save curves file (Kent Tenney) > 5. Re: The toolbox Wilber problem (Fl?vio Pontes) > 6. Re: The toolbox Wilber problem (William Steidtmann) > 7. Re: The toolbox Wilber problem (Sven Neumann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 09:41:41 +0200 > From: Stephan Hegel <stephan.hegel@xxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Gimp 2.6. Segfault > To: gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48E71E35.80501@xxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > Sven Neumann wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 18:15 +0200, Stephan Hegel > wrote: > >> Gimp-2.6 throws a segfault for me. > > It would help a lot if you could file a bug report for > this. Thanks. > You're welcome: #554966. > > Rgds, > Stephan. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:17:16 -0500 > From: "Kent Tenney" <ktenney@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Automatically save curves > file > To: saulgoode@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: > <ca816810810040417s2c7ab9f0v1c3489e4e61c0b35@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:01 PM, > <saulgoode@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Quoting Kent Tenney <ktenney@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > >> will there be provisions to apply a saved curve to > an image without the > >> gui? > >> > > > > If you have the GIMP Animation Package installed, you > will find a plug-in > > named 'plug-in-wr-curves' which permits > application of a curves file. > > I don't have GAP installed. > > I've installed Gimp 2.6 on Ubuntu 8.04 using .deb's > from > http://www.getdeb.net/app/Gimp > > will > apt-get install gimp-gap > > do what I want? > or is there more to it? > (I don't want to try and see for fear of breaking > things) > > Thanks, > Kent > > > > > > plug-in-wr-curves > > > > GIMP Plug-in > > > > <Image>/Video/Layer/Colors/ > > > > Wrapper for GIMP Curves Tool call based on Curves > file > > > > Parameters > > > > run-mode INT32 Interactive, non-interactive > > image IMAGE Input image > > drawable DRAWABLE Input drawable (must be a > layer) > > filename STRING Name of a GIMP curves file > (saved by the Curves > > Tool) > > > > Return Values > > > > the-drawable DRAWABLE the processed layer > > > > Additional Information > > > > This Plugin loads a # GIMP Curves File, that was > saved by > > the GIMP 2.0pre1 Curves Tool then calculates the > curves > > (256 points foreach channel val,r,g,b,a) and calls > the > > Curve Tool via PDB interface with the calculated > curve > > points It also stores the points, and offers a > > GIMP_RUN_WITH_LAST_VALUES Interface and an Iterator > > Procedure for animated calls of the Curves Tool with > > varying values. > > > > Author: Wolfgang Hofer (hof@xxxxxxxx) > > > > Date: 2.4.1; 2008/01/30 > > > > Copyright: Wolfgang Hofer > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 22:36:03 +0930 > From: "David Gowers" <00ai99@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Automatically save curves > file > To: "Kent Tenney" <ktenney@xxxxxxxxx> > Cc: Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: > <23f4e3390810040606u2ab3da44v1f8e51acdaddbb9a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Kent, > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Kent Tenney > <ktenney@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:01 PM, > > <saulgoode@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Quoting Kent Tenney <ktenney@xxxxxxxxx>: > >> > >>> will there be provisions to apply a saved > curve to an image without the > >>> gui? > >>> > >> > >> If you have the GIMP Animation Package installed, > you will find a plug-in > >> named 'plug-in-wr-curves' which permits > application of a curves file. > > > > I don't have GAP installed. > > > > I've installed Gimp 2.6 on Ubuntu 8.04 using > .deb's from > > http://www.getdeb.net/app/Gimp > > > > will > > apt-get install gimp-gap > > > > do what I want? > AFAIK yes. > > or is there more to it? > > (I don't want to try and see for fear of breaking > things) > There should be nothing to break -- GIMP-GAP is only a > suite of > plugins, if you install it and find it doesn't work, > it's easy enough > to remove it using Synaptic. > > > > > Thanks, > > Kent > > > > > HTH, > David > > -- > Everything has reasons. Nothing has justification. > ?io havas kialojn; Nenia?o havas pravigeron. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:50:12 -0500 > From: "Kent Tenney" <ktenney@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Automatically save curves > file > Cc: Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: > <ca816810810040750l35f21f6ex15250c0c14780552@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:01 PM, > <saulgoode@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Quoting Kent Tenney <ktenney@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > >> will there be provisions to apply a saved curve to > an image without the > >> gui? > >> > > > > If you have the GIMP Animation Package installed, you > will find a plug-in > > named 'plug-in-wr-curves' which permits > application of a curves file. > > > > plug-in-wr-curves > > > > GIMP Plug-in > > > > <Image>/Video/Layer/Colors/ > > > > Wrapper for GIMP Curves Tool call based on Curves > file > > > > Parameters > > > > run-mode INT32 Interactive, non-interactive > > image IMAGE Input image > > drawable DRAWABLE Input drawable (must be a > layer) > > filename STRING Name of a GIMP curves file > (saved by the Curves > > Tool) > > > > Return Values > > > > the-drawable DRAWABLE the processed layer > > > > Additional Information > > > > This Plugin loads a # GIMP Curves File, that was > saved by > > the GIMP 2.0pre1 Curves Tool > > Darn, it seems this won't help, the format of the Gimp > 2.6 autosaved curves > file must be different than the one this plugin was written > against. > > Very cool stuff in GAP though. > > Thanks, > Kent > > then calculates the curves > > (256 points foreach channel val,r,g,b,a) and calls > the > > Curve Tool via PDB interface with the calculated > curve > > points It also stores the points, and offers a > > GIMP_RUN_WITH_LAST_VALUES Interface and an Iterator > > Procedure for animated calls of the Curves Tool with > > varying values. > > > > Author: Wolfgang Hofer (hof@xxxxxxxx) > > > > Date: 2.4.1; 2008/01/30 > > > > Copyright: Wolfgang Hofer > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:13:31 -0300 > From: Fl?vio Pontes <flaviocpontes@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: The toolbox Wilber problem > To: GIMP Developers List > <gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <1223133211.8544.20.camel@erasto> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Tobias, I apologize for replying to your personal address. > Here's to the > list. > > IMHO it is just a waste of space because it is not a good > indicator for > a drop target. Not one of the ppl I showed it - all of them > designers - > recognized it as a drop target and, frankly, the image in > there is > simply wrong. If we need to make it recognizable as a drop > target, we > need to make it a drop target icon, that's all. A > Wilber background > image tha doesn't even show up entirely is a poor > indicator. It looks > more as a - ugly, but that's debatable - decoration > than anything else. > > I'm not saying that we shouldn't have a drop target > in the toolbox > window, but that it should be more obvious and take less > space from the > tools that are the main function of the window. > > Regards, > > Fl?vio. > > Am Freitag, den 03.10.2008, 11:13 -0700 schrieb Patrick > Horgan: > > Martin Nordholts wrote: > > > ~~~%< snip! >%~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > What are peoples thoughts here? > > > > > He's cute there, but doesn't add any > functionality, no? > > He is there, to indicate that the toolbox is an drop area > for images. > Like the Wilbert in the empty window. > > Regards, > Tobias > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > /lists/gimp-developer/attachments/20081004/e7adcba2/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:57:28 -0500 > From: William Steidtmann <billstei@xxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: The toolbox Wilber problem > To: gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48E79268.2020005@xxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I also think that the toolbox Wilber is an inefficient use > of space, so > here is an idea (my apologies if this has already been > discussed/thought > of): Right now there are 3 status items in > Preferences->Toolbox->Appearance, that when checked > appear below the > toolbox tool icons. Add a 4th status item choice which > would appear as > a drop box/icon with Wilber's face in it. Those who > like having it can > check it on, and those who feel that any/all 4 items are > wasted space > can turn all 4 off. The space above the toolbox is > eliminated. > > Bill > > -- > The second mouse gets the cheese. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 18:06:44 +0200 > From: Sven Neumann <sven@xxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: The toolbox Wilber problem > To: William Steidtmann <billstei@xxxxxxxx> > Cc: gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <1223136404.24753.19.camel@bender> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi, > > if you don't like it, or it doesn't fit your screen > layout, then why > don't you just turn it off? There's a gimprc option > for this and it is > documented. There is no UI for it, but that should be OK. > There are > quite a few options that don't have a UI, simply > because they are not > considered important enough to clutter the preferences > dialog (which is > still way too cluttered). > > > Sven > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > > > End of Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 73, Issue 10 > ********************************************** Scopri il blog di Yahoo! Mail: Trucchi, novità e la tua opinione. http://www.ymailblogit.com/blog _______________________________________________ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
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