<pcg@xxxxxxxx ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 07:35:11PM +0100, Michael Natterer <mitch@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> <pcg@xxxxxxxx ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes: >> > Some problems might be caused by misdesigns in gtk+, but not all. >> >> Ah, So which problem you have with the file dialog is GIMP specific? > > It takes a long time to open, for no reason. That is gimp-specific, other > apps using the file dialog behave differently, as I explained. On my machine it takes about as long to open GIMP's file dialog as opening other GTK+/Gnome apps' file dialogs, for example gedit. > As I already wrote, the gtk+-specific bug has already been reported. I do > think it's worthwhile if you read the beginning of this thread. > >> Why don't you stop complaining here and talk to the GTK+ mailing list? > > I didn't know the gtk+ mailing list is responsible for gimp-specific > behaviour. Other apps that use the gtk+ file dialog behave differently, as > I explained. It is not GIMP specific. >> There is absolutely nothing we can do about that. > > That's fine with me then, really. Please note that i never asked you to do > something for me. I did, however, describe usability problems with gimp. > > If you want to ignore these, that is your option (most probably because > they are totally out of your control, as neither sven nor you ever shied > away from more work to improve the gimp), but please don't claim they > aren't there. I don't ignore usability problems which (a) really exist and are (b) our fault. I don't even ignore usability problems which are *not* our fault. It took me some days to sort out usability and look an feel problems with the GTK+ team right before the new file chooser was initially released. They added/changed things because we figured them when porting GIMP to GtkFileChooser. >> And no, we will certainly not hack around to make the GIMP's file >> dialogs look different from all other GTK+ apps' file dialogs. > > On my system (debian), gimp's file dialogs already look very different to > other gtk+2 apps. No hack is required, and I didn't ask for one, either. We only add the preview and the proc selection which takes about zero seconds unless you are on a P300 or something. > Now, why are you reacting so hostile? I just reported on some general > deficiencies in gimp-2.x usability, of which the file dialog is the > biggest one. If you (both sven and you) don't want to hear about that, > just say so. It am not hostile. You are spreading FUD. > I do, however, think it's a bad sign that users (I read a few cases on > this mailinglist before) who report their problems with usability get > treated like that. > > The very least you can do is acknowledge the problems people have, > whatever causes it and wether and how it can and should be fixed is > secondary. We do acknowledge problems, but we can't do anything about this one (if there is one). I don't see how that "slowness" could be caused by GIMP. That's why I asked to complain against GTK+. There were usability problems which were addressed with GTK+ 2.6. You use GTK+ 2.6, do you? ciao, --mitch
