Harring, The serious problem is not that the dos console looks scary, although it is ugly, that would be ok for ms windows. The problem is that windows hangs any application with a console window if someone happens to click on the text in the box, for example, to copy it, or by accidentally touching it with a stylus. This is the serious problem, not some sort of confusion over what a console window is. Actually what is happening is the application gets suspended at the next console output until the selected area on the console is unselected. Obviously, if ms windows were any good, it would queue the output rather than suspending the GUI application, but the typical user can't distinguish this problem from a crashed GIMP. However, it is in our power to work around the problem. One such workaround is to only use a console if a command line option (like --console) or an environment variable is set. Ted ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!