Hi, I've encountered a problem in GCC 4.2.3 that didn't exist in GCC 4.0.x. Let's say I have: template<class T> Tube{ public: Tube(); ~Tube(); }; struct Graph { Tube<Ugen> t; } struct Clock { Graph g; } At issue is that Tube<T>'s constructor isn't getting called when Clock is allocated on the stack. Is this compliant with the C++ standard? I thought all classes had their constructors called when instantiated as an object even as members of structs. Any ideas? thanks, wes