with todays CVS snapshot of the fontconfig 2.4 branch: mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ fc-list : family file | grep -i zenkai ./ukai.ttf: AR PL ZenKai Uni mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ ls -li --time-style=full-iso ukai.ttf 197011 -rw-r--r-- 1 mfabian suse 14296192 2005-10-14 14:47:03.000000000 +0200 ukai.ttf mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ ls -lid --time-style=full-iso . 5505413 drwxr-xr-x 3 mfabian suse 4096 2005-10-14 14:51:01.000000000 +0200 ./ mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ Now move the font to a new name and move it back: mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ mv ukai.ttf ukai-new.ttf mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ mv ukai-new.ttf ukai.ttf mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ ls -li --time-style=full-iso ukai.ttf 197011 -rw-r--r-- 1 mfabian suse 14296192 2005-10-14 14:47:03.000000000 +0200 ukai.ttf mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ ls -lid --time-style=full-iso . 5505413 drwxr-xr-x 3 mfabian suse 4096 2005-10-14 14:52:52.000000000 +0200 ./ mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ The font still has the same i-node and time stamp and the time-stamp of the directory is changed (as expected). Now run "fc-cache -v ." again: mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ fc-cache -v . fc-cache: ".": caching, 71 fonts, 1 dirs fc-cache: "./kde-override": skipping, 0 fonts, 0 dirs fc-cache: succeeded mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ And now the font appears to be gone: mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ fc-list : family file | grep -i zenkai mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ With fontconfig 2.3.2, the font was still available at this point! Run fc-cache once more adding the force option: mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ fc-cache -v -f . fc-cache: ".": caching, 71 fonts, 1 dirs fc-cache: "./kde-override": caching, 0 fonts, 0 dirs fc-cache: succeeded mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ fc-list : family file | grep -i zenkai ./ukai.ttf: AR PL ZenKai Uni mfabian@magellan:~/.fonts$ Now the font has appeared again. -- Mike FABIAN <mfabian@xxxxxxx> http://www.suse.de/~mfabian ?????????????