Bill Nottingham <notting <at> redhat.com> writes: > > JB (jb.1234abcd <at> gmail.com) said: > > Now this: > > http://gnome3.org/ > > > > "A satisfying experience, whatever kind of computer you use: GNOME 3 will > > feel right at home on netbooks as well as larger machines" > > > > Really ? Like servers. workstations, PCs, notebooks ? Used by RH enterprise > > customers, non-technical businesses (big and small), users who do not sleep > > with their computers but use them as *tools* to accomplish their daily > > tasks ? > > Why, yes, that would be the goal. Is there something wrong with that? > (You've essentially restated the goal without comment or data. How am I > supposed to parse that, other than just implied sarcasm?) I forgot to mention that there is an opinion or stated goal of GNOME 3 that its target should be "smart devices" (the food chain below netbooks), that's why the new GUI of its Shell. I do not think you can cover with one infrastructure and GUI a spectrum of so different hardware, software, and DE requirements. Hope this makes it clearer. > ... > > Why did Fedora decide to abandon Gnome 2, instead of offering Gnome 3 as > > an experimental college-level project via a spin (as one poster here > > already asked), representing a work-in-progress where geeks still learn > > their Computer Science principles and skills ? > > Well, that's a nice bit of assumption-of-stupidity invective there. Now that > you've insulted people, they will certainly all turn around to your point of > view! > > (Then again, given you decided to post on upstream lists that, because you > don't like the activities design, they should start kicking the developers > responsible for GNOME 3 out of the project, I'm not sure I should be > surprised.) > ... I stand by that. My opinion is that geeks are self-made "holy cows", wanting "world domination", etc. The reality is that they are popular movement, having a delusion that it is enuf to know how to use a compiler and some languages to be able to "produce" functional and modern software products. That there is more to that proves the GNOME 3 Shell vice GNOME 2 debacle. They are perceived as not "reliable" by many, even in their own milieu. Geeks have to learn a lot beyond hacking. There are customer bases, people and big and serious organizations of all kinds, who are not of geeks-kind, who pay or are willing to pay for products that serve *their* needs. If geeks can flip from GNOME 2 to 3 "just like that", they are basically saying they do not give a penny about their long-term customer base, or any base for that matter. They want to serve their own itch and ego. That's why I say geeks who hold positions of responsibility should be held accountable for themselves and their co-geeks. And that means they should be removed from the projects if the results warrant. They show that they are irresponsible, inexperienced, and plain stupid. JB -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test