On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Matej Cepl <mcepl@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dne 25.1.2011 07:59, Adam Williamson napsal(a): >> But it doesn't make any sense. gnome-panel does *not* require >> gnome-shell. We really shouldn't just go around abusing dependencies to >> make upgrades 'work', even if it is convenient. > > I would suggest just to give up. Dependencies in RPM packages in Fedora > haven't meant anything for a long time already. Improvements are ignored > (am I allowed to say Suggests/Recommends here?), bugs against broken > dependencies WONTFIXed or ignored as well (try to run Rawhide and > upgrade just some packages and do it repeatedly for a long time ... you > will collect a lot of nice WONTFIXes). Actually if your speaking for the Red Hat desktop team I agree with your point because its clear they have an "I'm right Jack, everything for gnome shell attitude so screw everyone else" and it seems from my point of view that they clearly couldn't give a stuff about anyone else but themselves. And that attitude sucks and I'm getting sick of going around my packages and spending a lot of time cleaning up the mess of when one of that team comes and makes a mess all over the place. In terms of dependencies for gnome 3 you may be right but for every other part of the distribution you are completely wrong, at least on this space time continuum. There are quite a number of people fixing dependency problems and its attitudes like this that really piss me off. We got finally rid of perl in the last release which regained quite a bit of space for just about all spins for a net win. The Mobility SIG (mostly me but others as well), the server SIG and the AOS/JeOS/Virt SIG have been working consistently for a long time (me for 3 or more years) to try and fix these issues so that is why I'm getting a little upset on the attitude. Just because in your world you have terabytes of space and internet connections in the tens or even hundreds of megs a second there's a LOT of places in the world that don't have that luxury or have to pay a lot (like multiple dollars per gig of download) for bandwidth so saving a 100 meg here and there is worthwhile. I've spoken to a lot of people that are moving from Fedora to Debian and other distros for this exact reason. Another classic example of this is updates to openoffice. There have been 10 updates @ 200Mb odd MB each for oo.o since the release of F-14 for such critical bugs as "background isn't transparent" [1] surely these could be bundled together once a month or so (I thought there was suppose to be a policy about this but I can't find it). Peter > They mean only whatever form of abuse anybody treats them to currently. [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openoffice.org-3.3.0-20.1.fc14 -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
