James McKenzie has suggested I post this here: there's a longer thread on this same issue, with the same subject line on the Fedora list, if anyone cares to read it He said: > Can you report this on the test mailing list as well to make > them aware of this 'fix' and that the problem persisted > through a reboot when you upgraded from an older FC > version. May stop this from happening when FC 14 becomes > available to the general public. And I replied: I'm not really sure how to formulate such a report. I had a problem with X starting properly after some updates of a month or so ago. I have no recollection which round of updates started the problem. I tried many, many, things to resolve this, but to no avail. Whatever the problem was (which I never was able to discover), a simple upgrade of my F13 system to F14TC1 didn't resolve the issue; the upgrade replaced and updated many packages, too numerous to count - I posted all this, but only got a few replies, so I was apparently on unencountered territory; the final fix was to reinstall F14x64TC1, but rather than upgrading, I fresh installed; I used the custom drive layout option and deleted everything on my / and /boot partitions, reformatting them, while leaving /home intact If someone thinks there's a reportable bug to be found in this, I'd be glad to report it - seems like an insufficient information problem to me. A couple of additional details - I and several others looked at the messages, boot.log, Xorg.0.log, and dmesg logs and couldn't spot an issue. On the old F13 install where the problem began, I was then running the nVidia proprietary driver from rpmfusion; the first thing I did was uninstall the nvidia driver and delete the nouveau blacklist entries in grub.conf; lsmod then showed the nvidia driver gone and the nouveau driver active, yet, the problem persisted. Booting to runlevel 3 and starting X from normal user, a new test user, and from root user, all produced the same results - a momentary blanking of the screen, followed by a return to the command prompt, and no useful info either in the instant messages produced at the prompt, or in the logs... -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test