[Test-Announce] 2010-10-01 - F14-Blocker meeting recap

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#fedora-bugzappers: F14 Blocker Bug Review
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Meeting started by jlaska at 16:00:07 UTC. The full logs are available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-10-01/f-14-blocker-review.2010-10-01-16.00.log.html
.



Meeting summary
---------------
* Gathering critical mass  (jlaska, 16:00:27)

* The basics ...  (jlaska, 16:04:55)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
    (jlaska, 16:05:31)
  * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/2fqpazy   (jlaska, 16:06:10)
  * LINK:
    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Final_Release_Criteria
    (jlaska, 16:08:20)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=584328  (jlaska, 16:08:33)
  * AGREED: 584328 - tentatively accepted as a valid release blocker.
    Impacts dmraid installation using custom partitioning on at least 1
    system (unknown if more)  (jlaska, 16:20:15)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636621  (jlaska, 16:20:26)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=584328  (jlaska, 16:21:01)
  * ACTION: 584328 - dlehman has a fix inprogress, may require
    additional access to the affected system to test, will follow-up in
    bug  (jlaska, 16:26:31)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636621  (jlaska, 16:26:52)
  * AGREED: 636621 - No criteria for loglevel= boot parameter, agreed to
    move to nice-to-have list  (jlaska, 16:36:38)
  * ACTION: dlehman - patch in hand for 636621, will cherry-pick from
    master before next build  (jlaska, 16:38:20)
  * IDEA: think about installer boot option loglevel= and if criteria
    need adjustment  (jlaska, 16:39:17)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627388  (jlaska, 16:39:55)
  * AGREED: 627388 - unclear whether the reported problem still exists,
    awaiting feedback from reporter.  May remove from list next meeting
    if no changes  (jlaska, 16:43:20)
  * Leave in needinfo? requesting feedback from reporter  (jlaska,
    16:43:40)
  * Outstanding question for msivak in bug to address a new issue
    related to VNC prompt on text-mode installs  (jlaska, 16:44:11)
  * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/2drr5rs   (jlaska, 16:44:53)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635778  (jlaska, 16:45:03)
  * 635778 - currently in MODIFIED, fix available in 14.18, awaiting
    anaconda build to test  (jlaska, 16:47:13)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627789  (jlaska, 16:48:05)
  * 627789 - currently in MODIFIED, fix available in 14.18, awaiting
    anaconda build to test  (jlaska, 16:49:06)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621685  (jlaska, 16:49:36)
  * 621685 included and tested in F-14-Beta, moved to CLOSED ERRATA
    (jlaska, 16:50:06)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621469  (jlaska, 16:50:26)
  * 621469 included and tested in F-14-Beta, moved to CLOSED ERRATA
    (jlaska, 16:50:59)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=631987  (jlaska, 16:52:51)
  * AGREED: 631987 is a valid release blocker per criteria that all
    applications listed under the Applications menu must withstand a
    basic functionality test and not crash after [...] normal use
    (jlaska, 16:55:37)
  * mclasen notes a fix is available upstream and should be included
    when brasero is bumped to 2.32  (jlaska, 16:57:15)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637339  (jlaska, 16:59:00)
  * All applications listed under the Applications menu must withstand a
    basic functionality test  (jlaska, 17:00:37)
  * AGREED: 637339 - accepted as release blocker, appears to affect
    basic empathy functionality (connecting to yahoo) and is covered by
    final release criteria  (jlaska, 17:02:10)
  * (Meeting topic: F14 Blocker Bug Review)  (jlaska, 17:02:18)
  * 637339 - a fix is pending submissino to stable, selinux-policy -7
    has passed critpath requirements  (jlaska, 17:02:57)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636118  (jlaska, 17:03:13)
  * AGREED: 636118 - accepted as release blocker, affects basic
    functionality of swell-foop (included on Live image) and is covered
    by final release criteria  (jlaska, 17:07:14)
  * ACTION: 636118 - halfline (or someone from desktop) needed to
    investigate problem  (jlaska, 17:08:51)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639130  (jlaska, 17:09:18)
  * AGREED: 639130 - not a release blocker or nice-to-have.
    gnome-games-extra is not provided on the Live image or DVD, does not
    meet release criteria  (jlaska, 17:14:54)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623824  (jlaska, 17:15:18)
  * AGREED: 623824 - not a release blocker, no criteria exist to cover
    display to external monitors  (jlaska, 17:21:49)
  * ACTION: ajax and reporter continue to triage the issue with F14 test
    results  (jlaska, 17:22:07)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636585  (jlaska, 17:22:48)
  * AGREED: 636585 - not enough information to determine impacted
    release criteria.  Recommend keeping on list until next meeting.
    Will remove if no feedback then.  (jlaska, 17:28:00)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=632814  (jlaska, 17:29:04)
  * AGREED: 632814 - a valid release blocker.  Fixed and awaiting bodhi
    karma  (jlaska, 17:34:06)
  * ACTION: 632814 - needs bodhi karma feedback from KDE users  (jlaska,
    17:34:41)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634182  (jlaska, 17:35:01)
  * AGREED: 634182 - not a release blocker, no longer impacting KDE spin
    size  (jlaska, 17:39:04)
  * LINK:

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/lxde/logs/20100930.15-x86_64.log
    (jlaska, 17:41:10)
  * LINK: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ has
    logs for each  (nirik, 17:41:12)
  * after inspection of nightly spin logs, appears 634182 may be
    resolved already  (jlaska, 17:44:39)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=630226  (jlaska, 17:45:30)
  * ACTION: adamw to close 630226  (adamw, 17:48:29)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639138  (jlaska, 17:49:12)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=584328   (adamw,
    17:49:38)
  * AGREED: 639138 - does not impact release criteria, but agreed to
    move to nice-to-have  (jlaska, 17:56:02)
  * ACTION: 639138 - bcl owns parted, will review and potentially
    commiting fix+build  (jlaska, 17:58:45)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=629192  (jlaska, 17:59:16)
  * AGREED: 629192 - accepted as a release blocker because affects basic
    functionality for pino which is included on Live image  (jlaska,
    18:09:49)
  * ACTION: 629192 - adamw cc'd mclasen on the bz and plans to email
    desktop@xxxxxxxx to raise awareness of the issue  (jlaska, 18:12:27)

* Intermission ... will return @ 19:00 UTC  (jlaska, 18:16:02)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=631591  (jlaska, 19:02:51)
  * jforbes anticipates 631591 will be resolved in the final qemu
    release for F-14, but shouldn't block release  (jlaska, 19:10:21)
  * AGREED: 631591 - not accepted as blocker.  No criteria exist for
    running XP as a guest.  (jlaska, 19:11:02)
  * if not blocker or nice-to-have, final build must be completed by
    10/18  (jlaska, 19:11:43)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639393  (jlaska, 19:11:52)
  * LINK:

https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-results/2010-October/042369.html
    (jlaska, 19:14:57)
  * ACTION: 639393 - adamw will propose release criteria to test@ list
    to prevent package dependency/conflicts in F-14-Final  (jlaska,
    19:31:44)
  * AGREED: 639393 - conditionally accepted as a release blocker pending
    adjustment to release criteria to accept all installable package
    dependency/conflicts  (jlaska, 19:32:10)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635821  (jlaska, 19:33:54)
  * ACTION: 635821 - jlaska will ping gavin to make sure he knows this
    is a release blocker  (jlaska, 19:38:01)
  * AGREED: 635821 - accepted as a release blocker per Alpha criteria
    that installer must be able to submit bugs to bugzilla  (jlaska,
    19:38:23)

*   (jlaska, 19:38:38)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=590883  (jlaska, 19:38:42)
  * ACTION: dwalsh - submit bodhi update for newer selinux-policy to fix
    590883  (jlaska, 19:40:50)
  * AGREED: 590883 - accepted as a release blocker, fixed but not yet
    available for testing  (jlaska, 19:43:15)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639391  (jlaska, 19:43:38)
  * AGREED: 639391 - tentatively accepted as a release blocker based on
    proposed criteria update to include all package dependency problems
    (jlaska, 19:55:23)
  * ACTION: 639391 - msuchy needed to resolve conflict  (jlaska,
    19:56:52)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626205  (jlaska, 19:57:21)
  * AGREED: 626205 - no action taken, need to reach out to sgallagh for
    help determining impact  (jlaska, 20:04:28)
  * ACTION: jlaska to discuss impact of 626205 with sgallagh  (jlaska,
    20:04:47)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=637405  (jlaska, 20:05:14)
  * AGREED: 637405 - not accepted as release blocker, accepted as
    nice-to-have.  Will take if fix is available  (jlaska, 20:11:17)
  * ACTION: Peter_Gordon - investigate and recommend solution for bug
    637405  (jlaska, 20:12:00)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528022  (jlaska, 20:12:21)
  * AGREED: 528022 is technically a blocker under criterion 'In most
    cases, there must be no SELinux 'AVC: denied' messages or abrt crash
    notifications on initial boot and subsequent login', but the alert
    on vbetool's behaviour is explicitly desired; if vbetool cannot be
    adjusted we should except this alert from the criteria  (adamw,
    20:28:46)
  * ACTION: adamw to follow up with dwalsh and vbetool maintainer to
    discover if there's any practical way to fix this  (adamw, 20:28:49)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=603386  (jlaska, 20:29:10)
  * AGREED: 603386 - not accepted as a blocker bug, no criteria exist to
    guaruntee a smooth display transition during boot/login on all
    hardware  (jlaska, 20:33:03)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623956  (jlaska, 20:33:14)
  * AGREED: 623956 - not accepted as release blocker, acceptable for
    nice-to-have.  VESA is not expected to work in KVM (cirrus)
    (jlaska, 20:36:55)
  * willing to accept as a nice-to-have issue, if the fix is low-risk
    (jlaska, 20:37:15)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=628528  (jlaska, 20:37:39)
  * AGREED: 628528 - need more information from maintainer+reporter to
    determine impact.  Accepted as nice-to-have in interim  (jlaska,
    20:44:18)
  * NTH review process start!  (adamw, 20:46:24)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627073  (adamw, 20:46:26)
  * AGREED: 627073 acceptednth  (adamw, 20:48:32)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=632805  (adamw, 20:48:35)
  * AGREED: 632805 acceptednth  (adamw, 20:51:13)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634556  (adamw, 20:51:25)
  * AGREED: 634556 acceptednth  (adamw, 20:54:03)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634777  (adamw, 20:54:13)
  * AGREED: 634777 need more info on exactly what strings are affected;
    if things that are part of the fedora 'chrome' on the page are
    affected, than we accept  (adamw, 20:58:15)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635239  (adamw, 20:58:44)
  * AGREED: 635239 adamw drops proposal as nth bug pending further
    testing  (adamw, 20:59:36)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636170  (adamw, 21:00:17)
  * AGREED: 636170 acceptednth  (adamw, 21:02:40)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=636227  (adamw, 21:02:49)
  * AGREED: 636227 acceptednth  (adamw, 21:06:05)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638656  (adamw, 21:06:39)
  * AGREED: 638656 acceptednth  (adamw, 21:12:37)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=542255  (adamw, 21:13:24)
  * AGREED: 542255 acceptednth  (adamw, 21:14:56)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623742  (adamw, 21:15:05)
  * AGREED: 623742 acceptednth  (adamw, 21:17:31)

* open floor  (adamw, 21:17:42)

* https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=639280  (adamw, 21:19:11)
  * AGREED: 639280 accepted as nice-to-have, and would definitely like
    to see it fixed  (adamw, 21:24:42)

Meeting ended at 21:27:56 UTC.




Action Items
------------
* 584328 - dlehman has a fix inprogress, may require additional access
  to the affected system to test, will follow-up in bug
* dlehman - patch in hand for 636621, will cherry-pick from master
  before next build
* 636118 - halfline (or someone from desktop) needed to investigate
  problem
* ajax and reporter continue to triage the issue with F14 test results
* 632814 - needs bodhi karma feedback from KDE users
* adamw to close 630226
* 639138 - bcl owns parted, will review and potentially commiting
  fix+build
* 629192 - adamw cc'd mclasen on the bz and plans to email
  desktop@xxxxxxxx to raise awareness of the issue
* 639393 - adamw will propose release criteria to test@ list to prevent
  package dependency/conflicts in F-14-Final
* 635821 - jlaska will ping gavin to make sure he knows this is a
  release blocker
* dwalsh - submit bodhi update for newer selinux-policy to fix 590883
* 639391 - msuchy needed to resolve conflict
* jlaska to discuss impact of 626205 with sgallagh
* Peter_Gordon - investigate and recommend solution for bug 637405
* adamw to follow up with dwalsh and vbetool maintainer to discover if
  there's any practical way to fix this




Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* adamw
  * adamw to close 630226
  * 629192 - adamw cc'd mclasen on the bz and plans to email
    desktop@xxxxxxxx to raise awareness of the issue
  * 639393 - adamw will propose release criteria to test@ list to
    prevent package dependency/conflicts in F-14-Final
  * adamw to follow up with dwalsh and vbetool maintainer to discover if
    there's any practical way to fix this
* bcl
  * 639138 - bcl owns parted, will review and potentially commiting
    fix+build
* dlehman
  * 584328 - dlehman has a fix inprogress, may require additional access
    to the affected system to test, will follow-up in bug
  * dlehman - patch in hand for 636621, will cherry-pick from master
    before next build
* halfline
  * 636118 - halfline (or someone from desktop) needed to investigate
    problem
* jlaska
  * 635821 - jlaska will ping gavin to make sure he knows this is a
    release blocker
  * jlaska to discuss impact of 626205 with sgallagh
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * ajax and reporter continue to triage the issue with F14 test results
  * 632814 - needs bodhi karma feedback from KDE users
  * dwalsh - submit bodhi update for newer selinux-policy to fix 590883
  * 639391 - msuchy needed to resolve conflict
  * Peter_Gordon - investigate and recommend solution for bug 637405




People Present (lines said)
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* jlaska (514)
* adamw (404)
* Oxf13 (148)
* buggbot (47)
* dlehman (35)
* notting (23)
* jsmith (23)
* nirik (11)
* halfline (10)
* zodbot (9)
* bcl (8)
* rdieter (8)
* stickster (8)
* jforbes (5)
* robatino (2)
* fenris02 (1)
* hannes| (1)




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