2010-06-07 - Fedora QA meeting recap

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As always, notes and IRC transcript available on the wiki at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100607

= Attendees =

People present (lines said):
      * jlaska (114)
      * adamw (77)
      * wwoods (69)
      * skvidal (34)
      * zodbot (5)
      * nirik (4)
      * Viking-Ice (3)
      * Oxf13 (2)

Regrets:
      * liam
      * rhe
      * kparal
      * jskladan
      * maxamillion

= Agenda =
      * Proposed meeting agenda -
        http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-June/091438.html 
      * MeetBot summary -
        http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-06-07/fedora-qa.2010-06-07-15.00.html

== Previous meeting follow-up ==

      * jlaska + adamw - clear out CommonBugs? requests
              * {{bz|541645}} - PackageKit - System Update fails with
                PackageKit GUI ("Error getting ...
                      * Removed from CommonBugs
              * {{bz|552423}} - gnome-panel - [abrt] crash in
                gnome-panel (/usr/libexec/wnck-applet @ w... 
                      * jlaska to check with halfline for details
        
== Fedora 13 QA Retrospective ==

      * Owner - jlaska
      * Summary
              * Feedback on QA execution of Fedora 13 testing is
                available at [[Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective]].  This
                document is intended to serve as a roadmap for Fedora 14
                QA planning.
      * Next steps...
              * Jlaska planning to organize
                [[Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective]] feedback and present
                initial draft of recommendations next week.

== Proventester status ==

      * Owner - Maxamillion
      * Summary
              * Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page
                ([[QA/JoinProvenTesters]]) is no longer a draft.  We
                have several TRAC requests to join the ''proventesters''
                group.  [[User:Adamwill]] asked whether we can start
                processing ''proventesters'' requests.  What's next, and
                who is needed to take it there?
      * Next steps...
             1. adamw will propose a document 'What do proventesters
                test for'?
             2. jlaska to check-in with lmacken on the status of
                https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/424
             3. jlaska to update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
                to include link to proventester page
             4. Someone needed to check with bodhi team on plans for
                requiring 'proventester' karma feedback for critpath
                packages for F-13-updates.

== AutoQA initscripts test validation ==

      * Owner - Jskladan
      * Summary
              * Josef asked for help in validating a new round of
                SysVinitscript AutoQA tests.  
              * See
                http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-May/091311.html and https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/wiki/initscripts and http://jlaska.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/autoqa-help-wanted-initscript-verification/
      * Next steps...
              * Unclear, will check-in with Josef.

== AutoQA prioritization ==

      * Owner - jlaska
      * Summary
              * The immediate goal is to automate the
                [[QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan]].  Kparal
                asked, what is the most efficient way to prioritize and
                balance outstanding tasks to accomplish this goal?  
              * The current open milestones tracking progress toward
                this goal include:
                      * Package Sanity Tests -
                        https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%20Sanity%20Tests 
                      * Package Update Tests -
                        https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%20update%20tests 
                      * Initscripts Review -
                        https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Initscripts%20review
                      * Results database -
                        https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Resultdb
                      * DepCheck -
                        https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/autoqa
                        %20depcheck
      * Next steps...
              * Jlaska and wwoods felt that depcheck was the highest
                priority of the listed tasks
              * Need to discuss with kparal and jskladan for further
                input

= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =

== What's in autoqa-0.3.5-1? ==

      * Owner - wwoods
      * Summary
              * With several patches now in ''master'', Wwoods asked if
                there were any other changes planned for the next
                version of autoqa (autoqa-0.3.5-1)?
      * Next steps...
              * wwoods would like to get ''post-bodhi-update'' watch
                into autoqa-0.3.5-1
              * Enable an existing test to run for ''post-bodhi-update''
                watcher (rpmlint or rpmguard)

== Future of rpmlint ==

      * Owner - skvidal and kparal
      * Summary
              * Seth and Kamil have been discussing how to improve rpm
                static and comparative tests in the future.  The general
                idea is to provide a test framework such that it is easy
                to document how to add new tests.  
              * General discussion available at
                https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000616.html
      * Next steps...
              * Time permitting, Seth will propose a draft framework for
                review to autoqa-devel

== NSS Dependency Issue ==

      * Owner - Adamwill
      * Summary
              * Mether asked adamw to raise this topic for quick
                discussion to determine if there is any corrective
                action for QA.
      * Next steps...
             1. Adamw sending wwoods a simple summary of the test
                scenario
             2. Wwoods will determine if the existing depcheck test
                would have detected this failure case

== AutoQA handling of branched and rawhide ==

      * Owner - wwoods
      * Summary
              * Wwoods discussed recent autoqa changes and how they
                impact testing of rawhide and branched.
      * Next steps...
             1. At branch point in release, someone will need to add
                entries to repoinfo.conf when the branched repos appear
             2. jlaska took an action item to document the changes and
                add a link to the existing SOP for branching the release

= Upcoming QA events =

      * 2010-07-08 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
      * 2010-07-15 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
      * 2010-07-22 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
      * 2010-07-23 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #1
      * 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #2

= Action items =

     1. jlaska will discuss CommonBugs entry for 552423 with halfline
     2. adamw will propose a document 'What do proventesters test for'?
     3. jlaska to check-in with lmacken on the status of
        https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/424
     4. Someone needs to check with bodhi on when 'proventester' karma
        is required for critpath packages
     5. jlaska to update https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join to
        include link to proventester page
     6. adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn
        problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future
     7. jlaska to add autoqa FIXME links for a wiki page describing how
        to update repoinfo.conf when branched release is available,
        linked from the existing branched SOP pages

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