On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 09:29 +0200, Kåre Fiedler Christiansen wrote: > Anyway, you are hardly being constructive. Do you seriously suggest > that the page describing how to use the Adobe flash plugin is better > if you omit how to make a certain feature of it work? Currently you > will simply get distorted images if you try to use the feature, and it > will reflect on Fedora as if Fedora doesn't support webcams properly. Indeed! In fact, this entire thread is one hornet's nest that I truly regret having somehow kicked over. Believe me when I say that was _never_ my intent. By the by, I never got to answer Paul's question of how he could have put this better with respect to "people who care about software freedom", as it appeared. The interesting part is, if you read the posts carefully, we're in agreement about the values, but just have a slight difference of opinion in in how they are best expressed. And even then, there was room for discussion and compromise. I would have used something like this to make the point: The page has been updated to include that 1) Flash is not Free Software (although it may be available free of charge), and 2) that there are Free and Open Source software alternatives to Flash which may be adequate for an individual user's needs. Making this annotation is in keeping with Fedora's values of promoting and encouraging the use of Free and Open Source software. I think this makes the same point, but does so in a way that better avoids the "slight" that I and a couple of others detected in the language. OK - moving on now. Hopefully others will as well! There a release that still needs a few small kinks knocked out and we don't need to be distracted. Cheers, Chris -- ============================= "You see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream things as they never were and ask, 'Why not?'" -- George Bernard Shaw -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list