On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 15:57 -0500, Leam Hall wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote a good bit that all got snipped. :) > > My writing style leans towards encouraging, and there's an occasionaly > bit of exhortation. QA is not a clique, I'd rather have it reverted than > misunderstood. What I was after was the average person's desire to join > a functioning group. Sort of "we're a team and you're welcome!". Well, I can see what you mean for sure. I don't know, it's a balancing act I guess. > Same for the RCHT/RHCE phrase. A certification is less relevant than > skills. From what I see you need RHCT level skills to be able to get > Rawhide running. Even the pre-releases can be bumpy but aren't quite so > demanding. If you don't set a reasonable expectation at the beginning > then do you risk a sense of dysfunction if the volunteer thought Rawhide > was easy as a production version? On the flip side, if someone doesn't > have RCHT/RHCE certs and they are able to work with Rawhide you're > giving then a serious pat on the back. Let me put it less high-mindedly, then. I am aiming to do a bit of constructive lying. ;) I don't think you really need RHCT / RHCE skills to get Rawhide running, but yeah, it's probably a bit of a slog. However, it shouldn't be. There's no fundamental reason a development distribution shouldn't be accessible to anyone who has reasonable familiarity with Linux and the distro in question, a *spare* system of some kind, and the flexibility to accept that some stuff will break sometimes. If it takes more than that to use Rawhide, honestly I think that's a problem and one that directly has a negative impact on Fedora quality, because reasonably widespread ongoing testing of the development distro *ought* to be a big part of QA. One way to break this cycle is just to throw a few more sacrificial victims at Rawhide. As long as they try it on a test system the worst that can happen is it fails, and they give up. That's not a disaster. If they ignore the message, install on a critical system and it blows up, that's not our fault, because we did *tell* 'em. Over time, if a few more people start running Rawhide, it'll start to get less hairy, I think, and we'll get an improvement in overall quality. It's a long-term vision, but you've got to start *somewhere*. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
