A recent fresh install of F10 from DVD seemed normal enough. Gnome and KDE boot normally, everything is fine. However, I prefer fluxbox. I installed it afterwards, but when I type startx, there is no mouse cursor. This is on an Acer Aspire 4720z, which uses the synaptics driver. The older Fedora versions have that entry in xorg.conf on this machine. The later Rawhide test installs don't have an xorg.conf, of course, but it worked fine with them as well. If I right click on the desktop, a context menu opens, which is normal behavior. However, still no cursor. I can navigate the menu with the invisible cursor. Now, when I open an application, xterm, firefox or whatever, if I drag the mouse back and forth into the application once or twice and left click, a cursor appears. That's in fluxbox. In openbox, the same behavior occurs with an xterm. However, if I open a gtk app, such as firefox or gnome-terminal (again, I can open them by left clicking the as yet invisible mouse) the cursor just appears, usually with that little blue moving circle that one sees when first logging into a Gnome desktop. Putting a working rawhide install's xorg.conf in there didn't help. Dmesg and Xorg logs show the same thing as a working installation's logs, seeing a synaptics mouse on boot and upon starting xorg, Mac mouse emulation. Other things I've tried, after googling and seeing various mouse problems--(though none were desktop specific, in those cases, the poster seemed to not have a mouse at all) were removing rhgb quiet from the grub line (apparently helps with some nvidia cards), adding HWCursor off to xorg.conf, installing config-system-display and using it. None of these help. It's more an amusing inconvenience than disaster, since, A) the cursor does appear after anything is opened, and B) the whole reason I prefer the *box WM's is because they enable to do almost everything without the mouse. I was able to duplicate this on two test installs, but I've only tried on this one machine, an Acer 4720z, which has frequently given me Just Me(TM) problems. Using gpm also works without problem, so the system is seeing the mouse, Gnome and KDE see the mouse, it's just that the *box WM's seem to not notice there's a mouse till an application opens. Has anyone run into something like this? I'm not sure what Gnome and KDE are doing that fluxbox isn't in this case. Thanks for any input. I also tried, on the second test install, upgrading the existing F10 releaes to today's rawhide, but there was no change. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Giles: This one? Buffy: Amethyst. Giles: Used for? Buffy: Breath mints? Giles: Charm bags, money spells and for cleansing one's aura. Buffy: Okay, so how do you know if one's aura's dirty? Somebody comes by with a finger and writes 'wash me' on it? -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list