On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 02:58:03PM +0200, Matej Cepl wrote: > On 2008-10-09, 23:13 GMT, Scott Robbins wrote: > > I don't think that's practical with Fedora because of its very > > nature as, more or less, a test bed. However, things that are > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > I would prefer to characterize Fedora as a developer's > distribution of choice, but whatever. Fair enough. There were a lot of replies to this, let me try to do an overly brief summation. PROBLEM: Often, major changes are only documented in the release notes, which most people don't read. My feeling on this is that this is because the release notes are quite complete, and major changes may be easily overlooked. Some feel that if the users won't read the release notes, then it's on their own head. Others feel there should be a better way. I can think of two examples of how others have dealt with the issue. One example is Ubuntu. For example, when they brought pulse-audio into their alpha or beta, the Hardy one, I think, they had an easy to find thing on their front page, mentioning it. They also mentioned NOTE--this may break sound if you don't use Gnome. One problem with this one is that Fedora is a developer's distribution in many ways. :) (Or a testbed) <ducks>. However, FreeBSD, while having very complete release notes also deals with major possible surprises by having an UPDATING section. When one downloads the latest source code, they will look at /usr/src/UPDATING, which will usually (of course, it's not perfect) mention changes and possible solutions for issues that will affect most users. Does this seem feasible? For example, things like no more default xorg.conf (even if it's not deprecated). Other things that spring to mind are things like tying sound to ConsoleKit which broke sound for many people. Basically, the major changes that may affect many users, especially when they don't use Gnome. Many times, as a fluxbox user, I've come across things that seem to almost be a Just Me (TM) issue, that work properly if I use Gnome. So, that's my suggestion. Include an UPDATING that gets updated when various changes that might surprise people are made. What might surprise people is of course, subjective, but.... -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Riley: Buffy . . . I feel like we've gotten really close. At least I thought we had. I don't know much about Angel or your relationship with him . . but . . . all I ask is . . if you're gonna break heart, do it fast. Buffy: What? You think that Angel and I... Riley: Didn't you? Buffy: No. Of course not. How can you even ask me that? Riley: I don't know. Xander said... Buffy: Xander?! Oh, he's the deadest man in Deadonia. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
