On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 01:32:12PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 12:25 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 04:30:15PM -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm trying to meet a (probably overly aggressive) personal goal of > > > having zero NEW rawhide bugs (which are not Package Reviews) by the time > > > of Fedora 10 GA. Along the way I thought I'd post some of the questions > > > and issues I see while triaging these bugs so we can all learn. I > > > encourage others to do the same. I've just knocked the list down to > > > close to 500! > > > > > > If you want to join in and help the query for NEW rawhide bugs excluding > > > package reviews is here: http://tinyurl.com/6llac8 > > > > > > Here is what I have so far: > > > > > > # Is there a general policy around using perl in pre/post ? > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462996 > > > > Not that I know of, but it is good practice to avoid creating unneccessary > > dependancies if there are alternatives, particularly if the choice is between > > a large package & small package. Many perl scripts can be done just as well > > with a short piece of awk/sed. This makes it much easier for people who want > > to build minimal/small Fedora images because they don't unneccessarily > > bring in the entire of Perl just for a %post script. Not that I want to single > > out perl - the same rationale would apply to unneccessary use of python, if > > the use in question could be easily written in awk/sed. > > Fully agreed, but ... consider both python and perl > * are part of the base-packages Fedora is based on. That list of base packages is pretty arbitrary, basically chosen as suitable for a general purpose Fedora deployment. If you are creating derived distributions or appliance images you may not be building a general purpose OS anymore, and as such plenty of packages can be dropped - if the dependancies are created in an intelligent way. In recent times Fedora is actually pretty good in this respect - sometimes we find crazy deps when building minimal oVirt images, but packages maintainers have been very good at addresing bugs like this when we've found them. > * there are other dependencies adding much more bloat to "minimal > installs" Again, don't think of minimal install in terms of what Fedora defines for its general purpose spin, because minimal has a different definition depending on your use case. > That said, though it's advisable to avoid anything outside of POSIX in > specs' %pre/%post, I don't any pressing need to push people at avoid > perl or python. I don't want to specify an exclusion for particular packages - I just want people to evaluate the situation and take into account the dependancy chains they're introducing & whether they're truely justified. All too often Perl/Python are used when there's no compelling need for them to be - other times their use is justified. Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :| -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
