Gilboa Davara wrote:
A bit about my background, it will help you see my perspective.
I currently work at a school. I look after a network of Windows
(including AD), Apple Mac and Linux computers.
The students use Windows and they are tied down very firmly with Windows
group policy. They don't get popup menus, the don't get command windows
or the run menu item, they don't get to examine the local disk's
contents. If a computer misbehaves, I simply reinstall Windows. Or junk it.
The teachers are much like the teachers you and I had when young,
they're mostly nice people (but able to convince students they're not),
competent at what they do, but mostly clueless about computers. If they
can't print, "The Internet's down," and I get a call.
If it's not straightforward when the computer's put in their hands, the
are lost.
In a previous life, I used to be a sysprog on IBM mainframes at the
Department of Social Security, and these days I hang out on a list for
Linux on zSeries.
The school's a small shop, the folk on with the zSeries are from big
shops, as DSS was then, is now.
I don't like lots of computers that need individual attention. I would
expect that DSS and other major departments, and companies, count their
computers in tens of thousands, big multinationals in hundreds of
thousands. I expect that they lock down their staff as firmly as we lock
down the students. Running around giving computers individual attention
isn't something that scales or that they would do.
On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 22:58 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
atm I have SL5 on two systems, I have IceWM on one of them. It seemed
pretty quick (and I didn't see a problem with the menus), that was (in
part) why I installed it on Fedora.
Ha! I didn't see a problem with the menus because there isn't a programs
menu. However, icewm isn't what I was testing, I don't really have a
usable system - graphics is a right mess.
Here's what I do on my VM's:
Install the both the icewm and the icewm-xdgmenu.
Login once. (To generate the program list.)
Create a local startup ($HOME/.icewm/startup) file that will only
regenerates the menus if programs.programs.autogen is N days old.
Shazam! icewm logs in within 1 second.
Doesn't scale. Contemplate 10,000 computers and 10,000 users. Contempate
hot desks (I want a desk, nobody's using that computer, I'll use that one).
As for SL5, I'd venture and guess that are using IceWM's built-in gnome
and/or KDE support.
That system is likely to get nuked. If SLE{D,S} works that might get a
go. I've ruled out FreeBSD, it apparently doesn't install on that
system. Ubuntu LongLife is a chance.
Sadly enough, I found that under Fedora, neither one generated
satisfying results. (Missing applications; missing icons; etc)
Only xdgmenu gave me the necessary flexibility I needed. (E.g. use
custom font-sets)
... You could try icewm-gnome (also in the repos) and see if it works
better for you.
I removed the first, removed ~/.icewm. installed icewm-gnome, logged
in/out a few times. No ~/.icewm. .xession-errors mentions files in the
directory, but it never gets created and there's no error message.
There's no documentation for /usr/bin/icewm-menu-gnome2, and no
information on what might be good values to complete this:
[root@potoroo ~]# /usr/bin/icewm-menu-gnome2 --help
icewm-menu-gnome2: Usage: /usr/bin/icewm-menu-gnome2 [ --open PATH |
--list PATH ]
[root@potoroo ~]# /usr/bin/icewm-menu-gnome2
icewm-menu-gnome2: Usage: /usr/bin/icewm-menu-gnome2 [ --open PATH |
--list PATH ]
[root@potoroo ~]#
Note that square brackets are ordinarily used to denote optional
information, so according to the help info, it should do something
useful with no operands.
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Cheers
John
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