I installed fc5t3 last night, mostly without incident. I haven't had much time to use it yet so there are one or two things I'll need to look into and may report later. However, one immediate thing. There's an experimental patch to metacity that causes GUI applications started from a terminal to appear underneath the terminal window. Applications started from a launcher appear on top, as before. The upstream rationale for this and the Red Hat Bugzilla entry for it are here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326159 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=178389 I'm a developer. I spend a lot of time working in terminal windows doing things like 'vi prog.c; make; ./prog'. Once I've typed './prog' I expect my sparkly new program to appear so that I can see if my evil kludge has finally nailed the latest bug the users have been (quite unjustifiably) complaining about. I don't want to have to drag the sparkly new program up from underneath my terminal window. The first time this happens it's a surprise. The second time it's irrirating. After the twentieth time I'll be saying Very Rude Things Indeed about metacity, its maintainer, his family and their pets. And I'm sure Elijah wouldn't want that. I really can't think of any case where I'd want to start an application from a terminal window and not have it appear on top. For the way I work the new behaviour is always wrong and it isn't even possible to turn it off. I'd really, really, really like to see this experimental patch reverted. Or at least have some way to configure it, preferably with the old behaviour as default. Ron -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list