On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 18:49 +0900, Jason Montleon wrote: > How difficult would it be to build in the ability, and make it configurable? > I can see the argument to both sides; doesn't _seem_ like it would be that > difficult to make it configurable; then again I am not the one writing the > code and haven't even looked at it so..... I agree. Especially, when using KDE or GNOME as the GUI environment for a control system. When calling XRaiseWindow the window must come to the foreground to report an alarm for example. We also need the option to say, "remain on top". Thanks, Ernesto > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Timms" <dtimms@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "For testers of Fedora Core development releases" > <fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: Please _do not_ strip out the patch that brings up applications > behind gnome-terminal > > > > Fulko.Hew@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > >>Dave Atkins <thedave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on 02/01/2006 12:48 PM responded > >>with: > >> > >>>On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 21:09 -0800, Miles Lane wrote: > >>>. . . > >>> > >>>If it's down to voting for one or the other, I can't stand applications > >>>that steal the focus or the foreground. > >>> > >> > >>I agree with that statement. Applications that are already running > >>shouldn't steal focus, However the first window an application creates > >>should _always_ be on top. > >> > > What if in your terminal you type in succession: > > oocalc & > > mozilla & > > mplayer & > > and every app takes 5-10-15 seconds to show ? (like if you don't have the > > fastest / most recent machine on the block). > > Do you want the first one you started to end up on top, the second or the > > third ? Or maybe the fastest, (which you start typing in) then second > > fastest comes over top, stealing the focus, then third fastest. > > When I work, the other apps are just tools that I know I'll be needing > > soon; and I want them to be ready for my input when I am ready to give > > them some work (focus) to do. > > > >>I really don't understand why you would want to start an application, > >>and yet have its window buried underneath everything else. > >>After all, the reason you executed it, was to use it. > >> > >>For the last 20 years the convention has been that when an > >>application is executed, its window appears on the top of > >>the stack. This shouldn't change. > >> > > Yes, it really should change. Forcing people to do things in a less than > > productive way for a long time doesn't make it right or better! Think of > > your computer as your personal assistant: tell it to go do something; when > > _you_ are ready respond to the results (app) that it has created, you > > change the focus yourself using Alt-Tab (or the mouse if you want to do it > > the slow way). > > > >>And if you started an app to use it later, then its your responsibility > >>to push it down the stack wherever _you_ want. > >> > > No, I'm doing work involving multiple apps (even maybe testing FC). I need > > to gedit a log file, open bugzilla in a browser, and do a dir list. While > > these separate apps are starting up, I re-started the app again from the > > menu etc / blah. > > > >>... > >>And finally, to have special code in a terminal emulator that is trying > >>to second guess what to do based on the timing of typing is ridiculous. > >> > > I agree it's not worth changing the default behaviour for terminals > > because the new way is better. > > > >>> Try using internet explorer > >>>while working in word, and see how distracting it is. > >>> > >>I'm not to sure I understand what your compalining about. > >>When I use 'word' its on top, and has focus, any painting IE does, > >>or any other app for that matter, happens underneath. (BTW I always > >>use overlapping windows, not full screen windows.) > >> > > What about a web site that waits a bit then pops up another window, right > > over the top of where you are typing in oowriter. Another great reason for > > focus to stay on what you are working on. You'll get to those other apps > > when _you_ are ready for them, not when it eventually finishes loading. > > You are the master; the computer is _your_ slave :) > > > >>>I have really become accustomed to indicating with my mouse onto which > >>>window I want in front, and into which window I'd like to type. > >>> > >>Agreed, but thats once everything has started. > >> > > Alt-Tab has been around a long time for switching to next window (which in > > this case turns out to be the one you are yet to click on and pre > > started). > > If I have an email with some pages of text, and a link or attachment, I > > would prefer to click on the attachment, causing it to preload while I > > continue to read the rest of the email. When I finish reading the mail, I > > alt-tab to the created window. This is a time saving way to work. I get > > enough interuptions all day without the computer interupting me! > > > >>... snip ... > >> > >>Hopefully, this is 'start under' broken behavious a only a gnome thing, > >>and KDE doesn't turn its back on 20 years of standards > >> > > Hopefully, this much better behaviour becomes standard soon, and on all > > operating systems. > > DaveT. > > > > -- > > fedora-test-list mailing list > > fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > > > -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list