Fulko.Hew@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Dave Atkins <thedave@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on 02/01/2006 12:48 PM responded with:
On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 21:09 -0800, Miles Lane wrote:
. . .
If it's down to voting for one or the other, I can't stand applications
that steal the focus or the foreground.
I agree with that statement. Applications that are already running
shouldn't steal focus, However the first window an application creates
should _always_ be on top.
What if in your terminal you type in succession:
oocalc &
mozilla &
mplayer &
and every app takes 5-10-15 seconds to show ? (like if you don't have
the fastest / most recent machine on the block).
Do you want the first one you started to end up on top, the second or
the third ? Or maybe the fastest, (which you start typing in) then
second fastest comes over top, stealing the focus, then third fastest.
When I work, the other apps are just tools that I know I'll be needing
soon; and I want them to be ready for my input when I am ready to give
them some work (focus) to do.
I really don't understand why you would want to start an application,
and yet have its window buried underneath everything else.
After all, the reason you executed it, was to use it.
For the last 20 years the convention has been that when an
application is executed, its window appears on the top of
the stack. This shouldn't change.
Yes, it really should change. Forcing people to do things in a less than
productive way for a long time doesn't make it right or better! Think of
your computer as your personal assistant: tell it to go do something;
when _you_ are ready respond to the results (app) that it has created,
you change the focus yourself using Alt-Tab (or the mouse if you want to
do it the slow way).
And if you started an app to use it later, then its your responsibility
to push it down the stack wherever _you_ want.
No, I'm doing work involving multiple apps (even maybe testing FC). I
need to gedit a log file, open bugzilla in a browser, and do a dir
list. While these separate apps are starting up, I re-started the app
again from the menu etc / blah.
...
And finally, to have special code in a terminal emulator that is trying
to second guess what to do based on the timing of typing is ridiculous.
I agree it's not worth changing the default behaviour for terminals
because the new way is better.
Try using internet explorer
while working in word, and see how distracting it is.
I'm not to sure I understand what your compalining about.
When I use 'word' its on top, and has focus, any painting IE does,
or any other app for that matter, happens underneath. (BTW I always
use overlapping windows, not full screen windows.)
What about a web site that waits a bit then pops up another window,
right over the top of where you are typing in oowriter. Another great
reason for focus to stay on what you are working on. You'll get to those
other apps when _you_ are ready for them, not when it eventually
finishes loading. You are the master; the computer is _your_ slave :)
I have really become accustomed to indicating with my mouse onto which
window I want in front, and into which window I'd like to type.
Agreed, but thats once everything has started.
Alt-Tab has been around a long time for switching to next window (which
in this case turns out to be the one you are yet to click on and pre
started).
If I have an email with some pages of text, and a link or attachment, I
would prefer to click on the attachment, causing it to preload while I
continue to read the rest of the email. When I finish reading the mail,
I alt-tab to the created window. This is a time saving way to work. I
get enough interuptions all day without the computer interupting me!
... snip ...
Hopefully, this is 'start under' broken behavious a only a gnome thing,
and KDE doesn't turn its back on 20 years of standards
Hopefully, this much better behaviour becomes standard soon, and on all
operating systems.
DaveT.
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