Horst von Brand wrote:
Nils Philippsen <nphilipp@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 20:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
No it doesnt. I made my argument with detailed rationale on why I
believe it is not useful in general cases. If you disagree with me, feel
free to do so but I would like to hear a detailed set of use cases that
make it a convincing enough argument for Anaconda to support it for end
users apart from Kickstart capability.
What most people complain about here is AFAICS that we completely
removed (instead of just hid) an option they valued and that was a well
tested (by them), supposedly no-brainer sort of code path, very much
unlikely to give any problems down the road. Granted we have a new
package selector in anaconda now, but I guess adding back the Everything
checkbox and code, perhaps hidden behind an "offereverything" boot
loader option (so we don't scare away unsuspecting types) can't be that
much of an effort. I'd say it would be worth the trouble, because then
we could end this discussion.
Yet again: The code to do this is probably quite simple. The problem is the
fallout in form of non-working systems with weird sympthoms, security
problems caused by forgotten servers installed, performance problems due to
unnecesary stuff running (or at least on disk), longer update times (and
higher load on mirrors). The (missing) feature you see, it's fallout you
don't.
It is a poor design decision to remove a useful feature because that
feature uncovers other problems that should be fixed rather than covered
up. For example, the security concern about unused services should be
handled by making sure that the initial state of the service when
installed is that it is NOT running. Thus it is not a problem for those
that don't use it and those that use it know that they need to turn it
on. Each and every one of the 'objections' to the feature has a better
solution than removing the "everything" feature (in some form).
Carrying the "remove problematic (but useful) features when they are not
the real problem" to any extent will lead to a "dumbdowned" feature set.
Then we can call the distro "Fedora for Dummies".
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