--- Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi > > >>>Let's see *your* cost/benefit analysis. > >>> > >>> > >>Not to anyone who rather would name call rather > indulge in good > >>discussions. This is not constructive. > >> > >> > > > >I haven't resorted to that, could I see your > cost/benefit analysis please? > > > > > When users ask for features the rationale is > supplied by them. However I > have already presented by ideas > > * Everything installation installs every package > including all the > language package that is definitely not going to be > useful for anyone in > the same time. There is obsoletely no requirement to > install all the > language packages except the l10N QA team which is a > corner case > * Everything installation is not really everything > since it doesnt > support additional repos like Fedora Extras yet > during installation > * It adds increase burden of manageability (just > look at GFS kernel > module issues in FC4 as a prominent example of how > many users ran into a > unnecessary issue even though they werent using GFS > or werent aware of > it just because they did a everything installation) > * The local and remote vulnerability potential > increases due to the > amount of updates that that user has to install > * For dialup users keep their system updated can be > even more harder due > to unnecessary packages > * Performance of the system can go down to > unnecessary services and > session programs > > Better package management has resulted in much more > flexibility post > installation to install software on demand. Not > enough good use cases in > support for a everything installation has been > presented. So if you want > to lobby for a particular feature kindly present > additional reasons why > it is being required for end users who wouldnt be > able to use kickstart, > select particular groups during installation, pirut > or put post > installation. When Fedora Core reduces in size, > everything installation > might be more of a feasible option. Just that some > users want it is not > a good reason to implement any feature without > understanding the cost > involved in long term maintenance and support. > > -- > Rahul > > Fedora Bug Triaging - > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers > > -- > fedora-test-list mailing list > fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list > I am following this thread closely and I can see the pro's and con's. Many times, the everything install is the best way to go. You do not want to have to install any missing dependencies via yum/rpm when you want to compile a certain tarball for which there is no rpm available, or there is one, but in your system it *does not work*. The security risks are something that we could live without. In fact many people do not update the kernel to the latest one, despite several vulnerabilities that they keep their existing kernel because it boots everytime and many things just work. For example in FC4, the default package KDVI (KDE Graphics) was broken, when you opened a DVI file, KDVI told you that the file was corrupt. Being on dialup, yum update kde-graphics took about 2 to 3 hours at the time. I updated it on one of my home machines. I read about the vulnerability and I knew I had to install it. On the other machine, I changed the kile configuration to use xdvi package and forget about kdvi error. This are some of the things that we can live with. I am well aware of vulnerabilites, and understand why install everything all those languages that I am not going to use and I agree with that part. But the everything install is much easier and faster to do and saves time and effort when solving dependencies on installing other software. It is a double edged sword but I strongly agree that the everything option should be kept there because we are used to it, it was a part of the old red hat 8.0, red hat 9.0, Fedora Core 1, 2, 3 and 4. I know things change, but why change something that has been there and people feel comfortable with it. *Also keep the new changes they are awesome too* but that "Custom Install" Everything Install is missing. > Just that some > users want it is not > a good reason to implement any feature without > understanding the cost > involved in long term maintenance and support. What does that magic button(s) cost to implement when it has been living there for sometime already? The changes are welcomed, but what has been the cost and long term maintence and support have been throughout the Fedora Release cycles? Why is Fedora trying to reduce the Core? Why is wanting to become like Ubuntu? Fedora is great as it is! Why change it to less CD's, and us having to search for packages that are and have been there for ages. Sorry to get involved, but I felt the need. Best Regards, Antonio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list