On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 10:01 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Dan Williams <dcbw@xxxxxxxxxx> said: > > Yes, we need to have system-wide configuration, nobody disagrees. We > > all just disagree on how immediate the need is. > > System-wide configuration is much more useful than per-user config. A > lot of things are broke if the network is only working when someone logs > in (cron jobs like "yum", any type of remote administration, etc.). >From your perspective perhaps. It depends entirely on how you use your computer. NetworkManager was written to make wireless & laptop use easier _immediately_, and server & immobile workstation cases would be dealt with at a slightly later date. The current operation of NM is entirely consistent with a laptop/mobile-user use-case, and I've not heard [m]any of these users complain. Laptop & mobile users do not always have network. So in the current system, cronjobs have no guarantee of being run either. NM doesn't change that. * The people who want network on boot are, by definition, the people NM was immediately trying to please. * But now that the time has come to start building out support for more use-cases, including the tethered workstation case, these problems need fixing. They will be fixed in a consistent, usable, and technically correct manner. That is to say, not tomorrow, and probably not by FC5. Various people are complaining that "NM doesn't work for me, it needs fixing NOW." These people are entirely correct in the medium and long run. But if it doesn't work for you now, then don't use it. Or, gently help it along towards those goals with a minimum necessary level of complaint. Dan -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list