On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 11:46, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > so finish actually filing the bug by putting an actual real problem in > it with details on how to reproduce???? The problem is that Redhat again dropped Lilo. Since Lilo is out of FC4, I filed a tracking bug against Grub. Grub now matches some of Lilo's features from five years ago, but does not match Lilo's reliability, predictability, or documentation. Numerous experienced programmers and sysadmins have confirmed these problems on this list and elsewhere. Apparently Redhat does not consider lack of reliability a bug. Before the flame wars start again, please recall that we don't want Grub axed, we just want Lilo included. Redhat has made extravagent claims of mammoth kludgy code needed to support Lilo. We've examined Grubby, found nothing of the kind, and placed our analysis on this list. Redhat has been unwilling or unable to justify their claims. All that is left is developer ego. Any business that placed customer concerns before developer ego would have restored Lilo long ago. --Mike Bird