On Sat, 2005-16-04 at 15:17 +0000, James W. Bennett wrote: > Timothy Murphy wrote: > > >On Fri 15 Apr 2005 19:13, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > > > > > > > >>>I find the arrogance of the Fedora team in failing to facilitate this > >>>minority rather disturbing. > >>> > >>> > >> If you are referring primarily to this thread, then it's crystal clear > >>that the arrogance has been coming from those most vociferously critical > >>of the decision to remove lilo. You can have your objections to it, but > >>I find it quite disturbing that ANYONE could support calling the > >>developers "morons" and "tards" as somehow justified, despite attempts > >>by those doing the insulting to engage in not-so-clever sophistry in the > >>service of that false justification. > >> > >> > > > >I have only been following this thread sporadically, > >and wasn't aware that anyone had used those terms. > >I would certainly dissociate myself completely from any talk like that. > > > >I've actually found the developers I have communicated with > >very willing to help - but of course I did not start by calling them morons! > > > >I was probably wrong to use the word "arrogant" - > >but I was dissapointed that there seemed to be no response > >from the developers to the fairly numerous calls for LILO to be available > >as a choice when installing Fedora. > >I assume it is still a choice when compiling and installing a kernel - > >I mean LILO will be updated if one is using that. > > > > > > > >>>Incidentally, the interactive option in grub, which you praise, > >>>could be greatly improved; > >>> > >>> > >> Possibly, but keep in mind that this has to fit in a pretty small > >>amount of memory, if I'm not mistaken. There's only so much that can be > >>added due to space constraints. At least grub HAS a command line. > >> > >> > > > >As I said, I use grub all the time, and have been saved more than once > >by the grub command line option. > >(In my experience grub is likely to get confused > >if one has IDE and SCSI disks.) > > > >I guess the real weakness of grub is its lack of good documentatiion - > >LILO certainly wins hands down on that score. > > > > > > > What I can't undestand if someone wants lilo why not download and > install it and quit complaining. One minor reason : If all support for LILO is removed, then whenever a new kernel comes out, the LILO config file and MBR will have to be manually updated.