Paul Iadonisi schrieb:
On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 17:58 -0700, Florin Andrei wrote:
On Wed, 2005-04-13 at 07:52 +0200, Roger Grosswiler wrote:
BUT: I found cyrus-imapd neither in core nor in extras!
<sigh> An excellent IMAP server which solves the problem of server-side
filtering in an elegant fashion and can handle extreme loads, and it's
excluded from the distro.
<shakes head in disbelief>
Awe, come on now. I'm a cyrus-imapd bigot. I LOVE cyrus-imapd,
despite some of it's (relatively minor, IMO) peculiarities. But even I
understand (and frankly, agree with) it being excluded. Cyrus-imapd is
a complex beast. Not on the level of Oracle, but when combined with all
the components that make it the most useful (ldap, a web gui config
tool, kerberos or hashed secrets, etc.) it comes close to MS Exchange,
but makes you feel a lot less...*shudder*...dirty. (Yes, I know -- no
integrated calendar.)
Dovecot was introduced to rid the distro uw-imap (thankfully) and
fills that role quite nicely (from what I've heard...I don't actually
USE it). How do you configure cyrus-imapd to work with system accounts
*out of the box* without any extra steps for the system administrator
when adding accounts? It's probably doable, but just too darn complex
and possibly a maintenance nightmare.
I prefer a sealed mail server with multi-domain capability, so will
likely always stick to cyrus-imapd, even if I have to revert to Simon
Mater's (excellent) rpms like I did before it was included in the
distro. No big deal, really.
It seems to me that cyrus-imapd is most suitable for extras. I hope
that that does happen. If no one picks it up (but it sounds like
someone else might), then I might still consider being the maintainer,
but I really don't think it's a big loss for Core. It's specialized
enough (and independent enough -- i.e.: nothing depends on it), that
adding it doesn't cause much pain.
First, i agree with both of you. But at least, cyrus-imapd has to be
installable via extras - just that is goes not forgotten. Thanks to
Simon, he always lays actual Versions on their homepage, if they are no
longer in extras (in fact, at least they are reachable via ftp on redhat
-servers now)
I think dovecot is a good alternative - but i prefer blackboxes too. And
what made me happy (in my home-environment) it worked out of the box.
All i had to change was MECH=pam in /etc/sysconfig/saslauthd, starting
saslauthd and cyrus and this thing worked. *scary* remembering the
times, compiling cyrus hours and hours...
Even for systems like FC, where you find an update-rhythm of half a
year, migration of cyrus-imapd takes 10 minutes after istallation in the
new version. Just copy /var/spool/imap and /var/lib/imap to the new
location, start cyrus - this worked always, without losing e-mails. This
made even backups easier!
Roger