Once again, you have eloquently presented the issue. On Tue, 2005-12-04 at 20:46 -0700, Mike Bird wrote: > On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 19:23, Peter Jones wrote: > > I'm choosing to continue not resurrecting lilo, since none of the > > group of you who want it back are willing to provide any technical > > reasons whatsoever. > > Historically Grub has been unreliable. [See bugzillas for Fedora, > Debian, GNU, etc, etc.] If someone tested the latest version of Grub > for six months and found no bugs at all, that would not change the fact > that historically Grub has been notoriously unreliable. > > Historically Lilo has been reliable. Even a five year old version is > works fine. > > Now, after five years of missing features and poor reliability, you > claim that Grub is as reliable as Lilo. I doubt it - and experience > dictates scepticism here - but nobody yet knows for certain. > > Does your opinion merit our trying Grub again sometime? Yes. > > Does your opinion justify throwing out Lilo? No. It's an unjustifiable > risk based upon the packages' respective histories. > > The WMD have now morphed into the difficulty of running Lilo from > Anaconda. (Seems incredible to me but I'll allow you some leeway here > since I haven't actually tried to write code to invoke Lilo from > Anaconda.) Well, if they don't get along, add a --play-nicely patch to > Lilo. It's a lot easier to munge a command-line interface in Linux > space than to reinvent all of Lilo's wheels in boot space. > > Or work on Grub if Redhat shareholders don't object. Use Grub if you > prefer it. Make Grub the default for newbies if you like. Just don't > deliberately break things for those of us who need the reliable service > that Lilo provides. > > YOU are the one who broke things. YOU are the one who has provided no > justification for breaking things. WE aren't trying to dictate which > boot loader you use. WE just want YOU to stop breaking things. (Is > this getting too personal?) > > Lilo worked fine until you removed it. Put it back. Don't mess with > it. Focus on Grub. Try not to think about Lilo. Let the scripts > compile it with the rest of FC4 and ship it on the damned CD's. > > --Mike Bird > -- Guy Fraser Network Administrator The Internet Centre 1-888-450-6787 (780)450-6787