On Apr 5, 2005 11:23 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > We're moving in the wrong direction. It will not get better unless we > change course. Your opinion, and I don't think its an informed opinion. I personally think things are moving forward. And perhaps more importantly Seth thinks things are moving in the right direction and is is far more aware than either of us about the technical specifics of what needs work in terms of the buildsystem. And clearly from the responses in this thread, he is in communication with people inside the RedHat fenceline about working towards an integrated solution. > Integration is much less work than reinventing a "separate but unequal" > Extras environment. Who exactly is saying integration isn't the goal? Who is saying that what Seth is working on right now isn't an important piece of the path to integration? And who to say that its not Core thats going to be eventually using what is being worked on now for Extras? Again.. you seem to have a very good grasp of the long term goal that everyone is working on.. but i don't think you have a good understanding of what the reality is in Core or in Extras right now in terms of available tools/systems/processes and their limitations. What RedHat has been using as a buildsystem internally is not going to scale out to contributors. The system has to be re-engineered to allow for contributors in the system and I see absolutely no evidence that the work Seth is doing is duplicating internal RedHat work beyond a superficial comparison. -jef"I'm not going to be satified until the Fedora buildsystem can build me a pony"spaleta