On Apr 5, 2005 10:25 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Creating a separate Extras environment is counter-productive. > Extras should be as close as possible to Core in order to benefit > from synergies and existing tools and to improve coordination. I think everyone is aware of the ideal situation. Shall we collectively hold our breath waiting for it to be ideal? You aren't telling anyone anything they aren't aware of.. but thanks for the recap never-the-less. "as-close-to-possible" right now.. is exactly what we have. It will get better in the future. If its not good enough for you yet.. you can either pitch in and help with the tasks at hand making it easier for the people who are actively participating to work on other items that need doing or you can wait. The continued rehashing of the current problems isn't particular constructive. > (2) Extras packages should have varying but clearly > specified degrees of testing, perhaps in three tiers: > Gold - As good as Core but not shipped with Core. > Silver - Rebuilt and tested in coordination with Core. > Bronze - Rebuilt with core but QA has not signed off. as good as core? wtf does that mean exactly? why is core automatically assumed to be better than all extras packages? if you want a QA sign off that takes manpower....manpower that is currently lacking. I don't even think Core has a package by package QA signoff at this point before a release. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong about that. I CHALLENGE you to get invovled with Extras QA discussion in fedora-extras-list and start providing the manpower that can be counted on later as part of your ideal process statement. If manpower to do QA signoff doesn't show up, i seriously doubt QA signoff is going to be enshrined as part of the Extras process. If QA signoff is important to you, then you need to start digging into the current package review process and showing to everyone currently contributing to Extras that you are committed to your ideal. -jef"I'm going to hold my breath waiting for this thread to end"spaleta