> Has the community given up on up2date? I think so, yes. If not, why was yum developed? Personally, I'm a apt person. I find it takes less time to do what I want it to do: apt certainly starts faster, and the search facility is much better, but yum does have that nice groupinstall option. Another advantage of apt is that it still works when you break your python install.. up2date can't handle 404s, it just dies. up2date's gui will blank out all important information. I'm guessing it's a threading problem - I don't know. A healthy bit of competition between yum and apt is always good, but I can't see a good reason for up2date any more - is there one? :)