Thanks Samuel. I know those first commands you referenced are not equivalent. Adam's note above helps me understand I should use a different approach for elements in testing. Re: the up/down grading of packages. It seems this is due to my above approach. I downloaded a beta, but then treated it as released sw as far as trying to keep things up-to-date. My approach got me in a weird state. Closing. -- _______________________________________________ test mailing list -- test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to test-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue