Re: proposal: drop optical media from release criteria

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On Fri, 2018-09-21 at 14:56 -0400, pmkellly@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> On 9/21/18 1:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-09-20 at 22:35 -0400, Harold Dost wrote:
> > > Is having this as a test criteria *that* burdensome?
> > 
> > Yes, frankly. Not a lot of testers even keep a DVD-RW drive and media
> > around any more. It takes like a half hour just to write all the media
> > for testing, then another few hours to run complete installs from them
> > all (since optical media are *slow*).
> > 
> > If it's not burdensome, why does no-one except the paid RH folks ever
> > seem to run the test? And usually at the last minute, at that?
> > 
> > I've had to buy three DVD-RW drives *solely for the purpose of being
> > able to test this* (they keep dying, the things aren't terribly
> > reliable). And I keep a spindle of media around, again, solely for the
> > purpose of testing this, I don't use them for anything else. (In fact
> > I've nearly run out, so if we keep this criteria, I'm gonna have to go
> > out and blow some money on some more media I won't ever use for
> > anything but testing this).
> > 
> > If people outside of the RH team ever actually ran this test, I'd be
> > more in favour of keeping it, but I don't think any of the people
> > speaking up about how vital this is to them have ever actually chipped
> > in and run the test before.
> > 
> 
> Well, I know I'm an exception, I only test workstation live, I don't 
> test every drop, and I know that no one is requiring me to, but I 
> actually spend money on DVD media to help out with testing. Yes, I know 
> that someday DVDs will go away and I'll have to figure out this network 
> install thing, but for right now I use them because it's what I'm 
> comfortable doing.

Thanks for that.

> BTW does doing network install mean I have to have a server setup to 
> serve the installs?

I am not sure what you mean by 'network install' exactly. If you mean
PXE stuff, you don't need to know that to replace DVDs. You can just
replace DVDs with a USB stick.
-- 
Adam Williamson
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