Re: QA group joining process: new members cannot subscribe to list until approved

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On Fri, 2016-08-05 at 15:54 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Aug 2016 12:48:39 -0700
> Adam Williamson <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi folks! In an IRC discussion with a new member this morning, we
> > became aware of an issue (possibly some folks knew about this already,
> > but I didn't!) in the joining process. This is mostly of interest to
> > qa group moderators/sponsors, but I figured it can't hurt to make
> > everyone aware.
> > 
> > Recently, the Powers That Be have made it so you can't subscribe to
> > Fedora mailing lists until you're a member of the FAS 'cla' group
> > (which you become a member of by signing the contributor agreement)
> > *and* one other group. This requirement is intended to combat spam
> > coming from bots which just create new accounts, sign the CA, then
> > start subscribing to lists and sending out spam - that whole process
> > can be fully automated, and has apparently been a real problem. So the
> > intent is to make sure only people who've been made a member of a
> > 'real' FAS group by some kind of human, non-automatable process can
> > join the lists.
> 
> This is not correct. You absolutely do not need cla+1 to join a mailing
> list. How could that even be enforced? You can sign into mailman with
> yahoo or persona (which have no ideas about groups). 
> 
> Fas does, but you can add arbitrary email addresses to your account. 
> 
> In short, this is not the case that I know of, so no adjustment should
> need to be made. 

Hmm, sorry. Someone said this was the case on IRC, and I didn't
actually check - I should have.

Still, we could probably clarify the join process in any case. I'll
come up with a separate proposal for that.
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