On Fri, 2016-01-29 at 08:46 -0500, Kamil Paral wrote: > > Since people seemed to be on board with this approach, I've done the > > drafts. Here they are: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Alpha_Criteria_Postinstall > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Beta_Criteria_Postinstall > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Final_Criteria_Postinstall > > > > You can see the diff to the current criteria in the page history (I > > first saved an exact copy of the current criteria, then made the > > changes). Any thoughts on the specific changes are welcome! Thanks. > > Thanks for the drafts. > > I hesitate whether we should mandate working updates in live environment: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Alpha_Criteria_Postinstall#Updates Er, we wouldn't? That criterion still explicitly states "The installed system". When a criterion had text like that I didn't think it necessary to *also* add some text saying "doesn't apply to live environments", since that's just two ways of saying the same thing. > Installing anything else than just a few small packages usually > doesn't work at all, because you run out of allocated disk overlay > memory (which seems to happen very soon even for systems with large > amounts of physical RAM). The question is whether we want this to > work "in a reasonable degree" (small updates), or whether we don't > want to require it on Live at all. Yes, it was entirely my intent that this one not apply to live systems. > I'm not completely happy about the wording of: > " This criterion does apply to live environments. However, a stricter > standard of judgement may be applied to conditional violations in > live environments, as clean shutdown and log out functionality is > relatively less important on a live boot than an installed system. " > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_Beta_Criteria_Post > install#Shutdown.2C_reboot.2C_logout > > For example logout is necessary if you want to switch languages (and > our l10n test days rely on that). Reboot and shutdown is necessary > for automating stuff. I'd use the same measure as in post-install > here. Hmm, IIRC this was one case that *really happened*, and I was trying to catch the flavor of our IRC discussion at the time - my memory is that we were willing to accept such bugs as blockers, but we'd maybe be more likely to waive them for only affecting a small amount of users or being workaroundable or something like that. I can go back and check the logs again, though. What do other folks think? Thanks for checking the drafts! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
