On Sat, 26 Apr 2014 00:10:22 +0000 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 04/25/2014 10:59 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 22:35 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >> On 04/25/2014 09:43 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>> we at least need to get the requisite new test > >>> cases and matrix templates (or whatever) drawn up, and decide on > >>> whose responsibility all the testing we ultimately decide to do > >>> will be. > >> Just keep those test matrix and test cases along with their own > >> release criteria within the relevant WG's product wiki space and > >> once those are ready we remove the overlapping bits from the > >> "general" release criteria and test matrix if any ( which most > >> likely will just boil down to anything in relation the workstation > >> WG ) > >> > >> And there is nothing to decide on whom will be doing all that > >> testing > >> > >> It's their product, they designed it, they maintain it, they test > >> it, they release it. > >> > >> Yes it's really that simple... > > Well, no it isn't. "They" are part of the Fedora project. So are > > "we", and we're allegedly the bit that's responsible for quality > > assurance. > > It was just matter of time that you change tunes of lack of resources > and started chanting in having us do all their work but facts remains > facts our obligation is to the installer, core and base. > > Anything built on top of that is not ours to cover but relevant > service sub community or WG if you prefer. > > In the end of the day nobody knows the product better then those who > built it and whom better to test it then those same persons. > > JBG There's a bit of a misnomer here - Fedora QA isn't the only team doing testing. As far as I can tell, there are already several groups that also are testing (updates, DE's, etc, etc.). I don't think it will be any different with .next. I think we'll see more collaboration between the different teams as things move forward. It's not so much an "Us" vs "Them" thing when it comes to testing .next, more of an opportunity for us as Fedora QA to help coordinate testing across the different WGs and help facilitate a smooth testing experience across the board. From working with the Cloud WG, I haven't gotten even a whiff of the impression the plan is to create a thing and dump it on QA waiting for "testing" to happen - and I don't think any of the other WGs are working under that assumption either. Everyone involved in .next wants to produce solid products and from what I've seen everyone knows testing of those products is involved. I know I haven't been around long, but from what I've seen we have a really solid team across the Fedora Project that will work together to make things happen and produce a well tested, solid release for Fedora 21 (in all it's flavors). // Mike
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