I still find the (maybe my own peculiar) F20 situation confusing. For example: [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum -v group install kde-desktop-environment Not loading "blacklist" plugin, as it is disabled Loading "langpacks" plugin Loading "refresh-packagekit" plugin Not loading "whiteout" plugin, as it is disabled Adding en to language list Config time: 0.419 Yum version: 3.4.3 rpmdb time: 0.000 Setting up Package Sacks pkgsack time: 0.109 group time: 0.266 Skipping group core from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group multimedia from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group input-methods from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group guest-desktop-agents from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group base-x from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group fonts from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group hardware-support from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group dial-up from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group admin-tools from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group printing from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group kde-desktop from environment kde-desktop-environment Skipping group standard from environment kde-desktop-environment Warning: environment kde-desktop-environment does not exist. No packages in any requested group available to install or update [root@lenovo ryniker]# Yum is "Skipping group core from environment kde-desktop-environment" perhaps because this group is already installed, but why complain at the end "Warning: environment kde-desktop-environment does not exist."? Yum seems to have found a dozen groups that comprise the environment kde-desktop-environment. I display information about the group kde-desktop and see: [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum -v group info kde-desktop Not loading "blacklist" plugin, as it is disabled Loading "langpacks" plugin Loading "refresh-packagekit" plugin Not loading "whiteout" plugin, as it is disabled Adding en to language list Config time: 0.418 Yum version: 3.4.3 Setting up Package Sacks pkgsack time: 0.109 group time: 0.264 Group: KDE Group-Id: kde-desktop rpmdb time: 0.000 Description: The KDE Plasma Workspaces, a highly-configurable graphical user interface which includes a panel, desktop, system icons and desktop widgets, and many powerful KDE applications. Mandatory Packages: =akonadi-1.10.2-1.fc20.i686 fedora =akonadi-1.10.2-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =akonadi-mysql-1.10.2-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =apper-0.8.1-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =appmenu-qt-0.2.6-4.fc20.i686 fedora =appmenu-qt-0.2.6-4.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =ark-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =bluedevil-2.0.0-0.1.20130621.fc20.i686 fedora =bluedevil-2.0.0-0.1.20130621.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =cagibi-0.2.0-6.fc20.x86_64 @fedora cups-pk-helper-0.2.5-2.fc20.x86_64 @anaconda firewall-config-0.3.4-1.fc20.noarch @anaconda =gwenview-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =initial-setup-0.3.8-1.fc20.noarch @updates-testing =kamera-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kamoso-2.0.2-12.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kcalc-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kcharselect-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kcm-gtk-0.5.3-14.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kcm_touchpad-0.3.1-10.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kcolorchooser-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kde-baseapps-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kde-plasma-nm-0.9.3.0-6.fc20.i686 updates-testing =kde-plasma-nm-0.9.3.0-6.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =kde-plasma-nm-l2tp-0.9.3.0-6.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =kde-plasma-nm-openconnect-0.9.3.0-6.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =kde-plasma-nm-openswan-0.9.3.0-6.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =kde-plasma-nm-openvpn-0.9.3.0-6.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =kde-plasma-nm-pptp-0.9.3.0-6.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =kde-plasma-nm-vpnc-0.9.3.0-6.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =kde-print-manager-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kde-runtime-4.11.0-1.fc20.i686 fedora =kde-runtime-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kde-settings-pulseaudio-20-1.fc20.noarch @updates-testing =kde-workspace-4.11.0-4.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =1:kdeaccessibility-4.11.0-1.fc20.noarch @fedora =6:kdegames-minimal-4.11.0-1.fc20.noarch @fedora =kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kdegraphics-thumbnailers-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =6:kdelibs-4.11.0-2.fc20.i686 fedora =6:kdelibs-4.11.0-2.fc20.x86_64 @fedora -kdenetwork-kdnssd -kdenetwork-kget =7:kdepim-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kdeplasma-addons-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kgpg-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kipi-plugins-3.4.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =kmix-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =konsole-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kruler-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =1:kscreen-1.0.1-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =ksnapshot-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =ksshaskpass-0.5.3-6.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =ksysguard-4.11.0-4.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kwallet-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kwebkitpart-1.3.2-4.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =kwrite-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =okular-4.11.0-1.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =oxygen-gtk-1.2.0-5.fc20.noarch @fedora =2:phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.3-2.fc20.i686 fedora =2:phonon-backend-gstreamer-4.6.3-2.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =plasma-scriptengine-python-4.11.0-4.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =sddm-0.2.0-0.6.20130821gite707e229.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing =system-config-date-1.10.6-1.fc20.noarch @fedora =system-config-services-0.101.10-2.fc20.noarch @fedora =system-config-users-1.3.5-1.fc20.noarch @fedora =xsettings-kde-0.12.3-6.fc20.x86_64 @fedora =xterm-295-2.fc20.x86_64 @fedora Conditional Packages: 1:libreoffice-kde-4.1.2.1-1.fc20.x86_64 @updates-testing pinentry-qt-0.8.1-11.fc20.x86_64 @fedora [root@lenovo ryniker]# There appear to be two "Mandatory Packages" named kdenetwork-kdnssd and kdenetwork-kget that do not exist. For example: [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum info kdenetwork-kdnssd Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Error: No matching Packages to list [root@lenovo ryniker]# If it is mandatory, it has to exist, right? User confusion? Bug? I wish Seth Vidal was still with us. Things like this make life with alpha interesting. However confused yum (and I) may be, I nevertheless login to this system with a functional KDE session. -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test