I believe the KDE environment is installed on my up-to-date F20 machine, but "yum group list" does not show it is installed. Suspecting it might not be *completely* installed, I tried to install it and yum complained: Warning: environment KDE Plasma Workspaces does not exist. Is this merely personal confusion, or is something truly wrong? If an environment group is installed, should it be listed as "Installed"? The 'GNOME Desktop' was installed as the default environment, but is not listed as "Installed". Because I think KDE Plasma Workspaces is installed, I expected some output from yum to tell me there are no packages to install. I do see this expected output from an explicit request to install 'GNOME desktop'. Details... [root@lenovo ryniker]# uname -a Linux lenovo 3.11.0-300.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Sep 5 18:52:54 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum group list Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Available environment groups: GNOME Desktop KDE Plasma Workspaces Xfce Desktop LXDE Desktop Cinnamon Desktop MATE Desktop Sugar Desktop Environment Development and Creative Workstation Web Server Infrastructure Server Basic Desktop Minimal Install Installed groups: Administration Tools Available Groups: 3D Printing Authoring and Publishing Books and Guides C Development Tools and Libraries Cloud Infrastructure Design Suite Development Tools Editors Educational Software Electronic Lab Engineering and Scientific Fedora Eclipse FreeIPA Server Games and Entertainment LibreOffice Medical Applications Milkymist Network Servers Office/Productivity RPM Development Tools Robotics Security Lab Sound and Video System Tools Text-based Internet Window Managers Done [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum list updates Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum group install 'KDE Plasma Workspaces' Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Warning: environment KDE Plasma Workspaces does not exist. No packages in any requested group available to install or update [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum install '@^KDE Plasma Workspaces' Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Warning: Environment Group KDE Plasma Workspaces does not exist. Nothing to do [root@lenovo ryniker]# yum group install 'GNOME Desktop' Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit Warning: Group gnome-desktop does not have any packages to install. Warning: Group firefox does not have any packages to install. No packages in any requested group available to install or update [root@lenovo ryniker]# -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test