On Mon, 2013-06-10 at 08:38 -0400, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jun 10, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Could you take a look and see if it's better now, or > > still needs improving? > > Criterion reads: The installer must be able to install into free space > alongside an existing clean Windows installation and install a > bootloader which can boot into both Windows and Fedora. > > a. Since free space is atypical, this phrasing implies the installer > doesn't need to be able to resize or resize correctly. Since it's an > offered scenario in the installer, I think at this point it should be > required to work and thus incorporated into the criterion. That is indeed the implication, it's intentional, and I wouldn't want to change it without input from the anaconda team. Their position is that resizing is inherently a risky and unpredictable operation that we cannot guarantee the functionality of, but we should be able to guarantee what's written in the criterion. I suppose we could try and come up with a tightly-worded criterion that the resize mechanism in the installer must not be broken - so it should 'do what it's supposed to do', but if ntfsresize fails for some reason, that wouldn't be a blocker. > b. For BIOS installs, the requirement for the bootloader to boot both > Windows and Fedora is reasonable. It's probably not reasonable, still, > for UEFI. GRUB2+os-prober really isn't acting as a suitable > replacement Boot Manager, so the user either needs to use the firmware > boot manager to choose a bootloader (bootmgr.efi for Windows, > grubx64.efi for Fedora), or some other boot manager (rEFInd or > gummiboot). Well, I see the point, but at the same time, we are finding out that in the Real World, it's a really bad idea to depend on the EFI boot manager because it just isn't being presented to the user in a sane way in enough of the real UEFI implementations. So we might actually want to keep that requirement, and fix up os-prober (which we're currently working on). We'll have to see what pjones' take on that is. > > Clean Windows installation reveal reads in part: > The expected scenario is a cleanly installed or OEM-deployed Windows > installation into a single partition. Issues caused by recovery or > 'system' partitions may not be considered to violate this criterion, > depending on the specific circumstances. > > I think those two sentences are unworkable. OEM deployed Windows is multi-partition. > > > > In particular, what's the default > > 'multi-partition' layout of Win7/8? > > I've only recently BIOS installed Windows 7, and it's two partitions > to an unpartitioned disk. I think for EFI installing Windows 7, it's > three partitions. For Windows 8 EFI, it's four partitions, so I'll > guess it's one less for BIOS. What are the partitions? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
