> > "Welcome" dialog is on rightmost monitor, not main monitor (the black > > Gnome menu is on main monitor). > > We don't really have any way of knowing what the main monitor is, in a > multiple monitor setup. I think X just goes with enumeration order until > you specify it somehow... I don't know enough about xrandr to say, but it did figure out which monitor to put the black menu on :-) The odd part was that the welcome dialog and the menu were on different monitors. > That's a GNOME design, I remember finding it a bit confusing at first > but now I just hit Esc. The idea is that it's a 'shield' in front of > your desktop, which you swipe away. I did hit Esc, it didn't work. > > No options in keyboard layout window - it brought up a blank list and > > made me "pick" one. > > Sorry, not quite sure what you mean here? Which 'keyboard layout window' > is this? The first Welcome thing you get after the white intro movie, just before you're asked to create a user account. Maybe it was an "input methods" window? It was a blank dialog, I had to press next, I couldn't figure out what its purpose was. > No, that's not the idea. The integration between anaconda, initial-setup > and gnome-initial-setup just isn't entirely done yet. I think if you > create a user in anaconda it's an admin user by default, but I'm not > 100% sure. It should probably give you the option. IIRC it was the other way around, anaconda's user was the non-admin. > Clearly, your keyboard is broken. I'd return it. ;) They didn't have a Windows key in 1984, and I'm NOT returning my Model M :-) > I've never quite got the 'being proud of having a keyboard with no > Super key' thing. It's a handy key. But anyway, this is a general > introductory video to GNOME aimed at very new users; if you're geeky > enough to have gone out and carefully sourced a keyboard with no > Super key, you are not the target audience of the video, so that > doesn't really seem to be a problem. You call it a Super key, but you show a Windows logo (you hide it but it's obvious) in the movie. And you can ask the keyboard how many keys it has. > > Resizing firefox is VERY slow - about 2-3 FPS. > > Try booting with slub_debug=- . Pre-Beta builds of Fedora use debug > kernels, which are much slower than release kernels. Yeah, I know about that. Nothing else was that slow though. > > analog 5.1 "test speakers" emits no output to subwoofer (the other 5 > > speakers worked fine) > > > > Digital spdif output does not have options for surround sound *at all* > > (the hardware is known-good under F17). > > Where did you look? Er, the gnome sound settings dialog. I currently (F17) use the pavucontrol app to switch between analog stereo (gaming headset) and digital surround (movies) but I was going for the "eat the dogfood" option. > > Xrandr settings should be site-wide, not personal (esp, they're > > ignored for the greeter screen). The greeter is hard to use because > > you can't keep track of where the cursor is due to the misconfigured > > screens. > > What do you mean by 'xrandr' settings exactly? Layout and rotation of monitors. It seems silly that the physical layout of the monitors should be a per-user setting when the hardware doesn't change between users. Each time I choose "switch user" all the monitors revert to their "unconfigured" setting and I have to re-run the Display settings thing for each user. In F17 I manually configured the monitors in xorg.conf so they apply right away and for everyone. > tool, I think it's planned to have an 'apply systemwide' option in > future, but it's not done yet. That would be a good solution. > Such settings shouldn't be made systemwide by default, as multiple > users on a multi-user setting don't necessarily all want the same > settings... In my case, monitor layout isn't a preference, it's a hardware configuration... > > Xrandr changes turn the screen to random garbage for a few seconds > > before reconfiguring. > > That sounds like it might be a driver issue (none of the things above > are). The driver devs would probably need more details or a video or > something, though. Yup. Others already reported it as such. > I don't know if there's been much testing with that many monitors. Two > is a much more common case. This is not likely driver or > Fedora-specific, you're probably best off filing an upstream GNOME bug > on it, with more details and maybe a video. If I can find time ;-) > I believe the app tries to render things so you have enough space to put > all the displays in a vertical stack - i.e. it's just giving you enough > space for every possible arrangement. It's just that in your case - when > you have four monitors, several of which are vertically oriented - this > gives kind of a bad result, since the 'vertical stack' configuration > would be so tall. Again, I suspect the devs/designers haven't > necessarily seen a case like yours, which is kind of an edge case; it > may be worth filing this upstream also. Perhaps, but even given the above, they're still WAY too small. > > At some points, gnome brought up a light-grey-on-lighter-grey themed > > dialog, which looks like a disabled dialog and is hard to read. > > Not quite sure what you're referring to here. Did you take a screenshot? Nope. I don't recall which one it is, either, I'm going from my notes. > There are notifications, if you wait long enough. You will also see an > 'Install updates and restart' option in the user menu when updates are > available; this is the 'offline updates' feature from F18. Perhaps I'm impatient then, but the testing instructions said "update your software" and I couldn't find a way to do that through the GUI. > > totem segfaults running NET_MAN.ogg (known bug) > > Yeah, I think we have about 50 reports of that one now :P I didn't bother filing another one ;-) I would have tried vlc, which is what I usually use, but it wasn't in the core repos. I have a HD/DVR that totem doesn't support. > > 0ad isn't playable - the "ok" button to start the game is drawn on a > > spot on my desktop that doesn't map to a monitor, so I can't click it. > > You should probably file bugs for these. Perhaps, but I don't have time to try *every* app to see if it works, where do you draw the line? I only tried these because they were listed in the test plan, I'll never run them again for my own purposes. If I can find the time, I'll document my findings as you suggested. > Well, be fair here: it's not like the only two possible cases are 'four > large monitors in a pretty unusual setup' or 'tablet'. IMHO the screensaver thing is clunky on a single large monitor. > You are an edge case. Edge cases get to have all the fun. =) I think > you're the only person I've ever heard of using four monitors on a > fairly 'regular' desktop (i.e. not some sort of special case - video > wall, camera monitoring or whatever). I use GNOME on a more > 'typical' two-monitor setup and it's fine. Though I don't play games > on it. My setup is the "typical" three-monitor setup that was the recommended setup for a 30" monitor, plus a fourth for movies. One big main monitor, flanked by two smaller portrait monitors for documents, gives you a solid 4960 by 1600 workspace without a black bar down the middle. http://www.delorie.com/wood/desk/photos/img_1986.html The fourth monitor is supposed to be *above* the main one, but I haven't built the mounting shelf for them yet. -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
