On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 23:29 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > Not sure how many of these are specific to the Radeon driver, but I > kept notes as I went through the whole install/test process, and I'm > including them here in case they help anyone. I'm available for more > detailed testing if needed. > > hardware: > > Intel six-core i7-EE, 24GB RAM, Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R motherboard > ATI Radeon HD 6870 with four monitors (one 30", two rotated 20", one 23") > > My monitor setup is: one 30" 2560x1600 in the middle, one 20" > 1200x1600 (rotated) on each side, and the 1080p way off on the right. > > Basic install went OK. > > "Welcome" dialog is on rightmost monitor, not main monitor (the black > Gnome menu is on main monitor). We don't really have any way of knowing what the main monitor is, in a multiple monitor setup. I think X just goes with enumeration order until you specify it somehow... > After the screen saver kicked in, it wasn't obvious how to leave the > giant clock screen (none of the usual key presses or mouse clicks did > anything). Only later was I shown the up-arrow thing but clicking on > it did nothing. Eventually I tried swiping it which worked after a > few tries. Swiping a clock up a 30" monitor isn't the most natural > way to disable a screensaver. That's a GNOME design, I remember finding it a bit confusing at first but now I just hit Esc. The idea is that it's a 'shield' in front of your desktop, which you swipe away. > No options in keyboard layout window - it brought up a blank list and > made me "pick" one. Sorry, not quite sure what you mean here? Which 'keyboard layout window' is this? > It then asks to create local account despite already doing so in > anaconda. Could not skip or re-enter same data. Anaconda should tell > you that the account you create *there* is *not* an admin, and that > you will be *required* to create yet another account later, which *is* > an admin. No, that's not the idea. The integration between anaconda, initial-setup and gnome-initial-setup just isn't entirely done yet. I think if you create a user in anaconda it's an admin user by default, but I'm not 100% sure. It should probably give you the option. > After "start gnome", main screen went solid white until ESC pressed. > Only later did I realize it was supposed to play a movie (sound wasn't > configured yet). The movie tells me to press a key that doesn't exist > on my keyboard. Clearly, your keyboard is broken. I'd return it. ;) I've never quite got the 'being proud of having a keyboard with no Super key' thing. It's a handy key. But anyway, this is a general introductory video to GNOME aimed at very new users; if you're geeky enough to have gone out and carefully sourced a keyboard with no Super key, you are not the target audience of the video, so that doesn't really seem to be a problem. > Resizing firefox is VERY slow - about 2-3 FPS. Try booting with slub_debug=- . Pre-Beta builds of Fedora use debug kernels, which are much slower than release kernels. > analog 5.1 "test speakers" emits no output to subwoofer (the other 5 > speakers worked fine) > > Digital spdif output does not have options for surround sound *at all* > (the hardware is known-good under F17). Where did you look? > Xrandr settings should be site-wide, not personal (esp, they're > ignored for the greeter screen). The greeter is hard to use because > you can't keep track of where the cursor is due to the misconfigured > screens. What do you mean by 'xrandr' settings exactly? xrandr is a command line utility that configures RandR on the fly, with no kind of persistence. There are various other ways to configure RandR. You can do it with an X config snippet, you can do it from various desktops. If you're talking about the GNOME control center's "Displays" tool, I think it's planned to have an 'apply systemwide' option in future, but it's not done yet. Such settings shouldn't be made systemwide by default, as multiple users on a multi-user setting don't necessarily all want the same settings... > Xrandr changes turn the screen to random garbage for a few seconds > before reconfiguring. That sounds like it might be a driver issue (none of the things above are). The driver devs would probably need more details or a video or something, though. > Xrandr display setup app doesn't work right for four monitors - it > requires pairs of monitors to be touching, making it difficult to set > up. Example: if you change the rotation for the #3 monitor, you can't > place it next to the #1 monitor - just next to the #4 monitor (or very > far away from it). In my case, #3 was the one to the left of the main > monitor, which took a few minutes to do. I've played puzzle games on > my phone which were less tricky than using this app. I don't know if there's been much testing with that many monitors. Two is a much more common case. This is not likely driver or Fedora-specific, you're probably best off filing an upstream GNOME bug on it, with more details and maybe a video. > Also, the monitor icons are very tiny - like, 5mm tall on my 30" > monitor. I believe the app tries to render things so you have enough space to put all the displays in a vertical stack - i.e. it's just giving you enough space for every possible arrangement. It's just that in your case - when you have four monitors, several of which are vertically oriented - this gives kind of a bad result, since the 'vertical stack' configuration would be so tall. Again, I suspect the devs/designers haven't necessarily seen a case like yours, which is kind of an edge case; it may be worth filing this upstream also. > At some points, gnome brought up a light-grey-on-lighter-grey themed > dialog, which looks like a disabled dialog and is hard to read. Not quite sure what you're referring to here. Did you take a screenshot? > I could not find out how to update the system software with gnome3. > No notifications popped up, and there were no apps to "check for > software updates". The software install tool didn't have such an > option. I ended up running "yum update" from a terminal (which did > update software). There are notifications, if you wait long enough. You will also see an 'Install updates and restart' option in the user menu when updates are available; this is the 'offline updates' feature from F18. > totem segfaults running NET_MAN.ogg (known bug) Yeah, I think we have about 50 reports of that one now :P > pymol starts on the wrong monitor - it starts on the far right > monitor, not the main monitor. > > pymol transparency demo doesn't work > - and coredumps on exit > > tuxkart - native screen resolution (2560x1600) is not offered, > "fullscreen" core dumps. > > hmmm... right side monitor is now a clone of left side monitor after > this test. (fixed by switch-user) > > xonitic corrupts xrandr settings - switches everything to "mirrored" > mode, which means every screen has the same game on it, two of them > sideways and all of them distorted. *Not* fixed by switch-user. > > 0ad isn't playable - the "ok" button to start the game is drawn on a > spot on my desktop that doesn't map to a monitor, so I can't click it. You should probably file bugs for these. > Minecraft won't run. I assume this is due to an interaction between > an old gaming library on their part and the use of our java instead of > oracle's (i.e. it's a standard setup, not my usual custom one), but > the traceback was in the xrandr setup routines. > > -- > > All in all, I found F19A's Gnome to be just as hard to use as I > recalled in F17 and F18, and support for my four-monitor setup to be > just as poor as in the past. Perhaps F19 would run fine on a tablet > but it's a non-starter for me without heavy customization. Well, be fair here: it's not like the only two possible cases are 'four large monitors in a pretty unusual setup' or 'tablet'. You are an edge case. Edge cases get to have all the fun. =) I think you're the only person I've ever heard of using four monitors on a fairly 'regular' desktop (i.e. not some sort of special case - video wall, camera monitoring or whatever). 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