On 23/04/13 07:45 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
Dear QArs, I would think that having serious minded users of Fedora participating in the test days would be appreciated. The actual testing itself is no problem but reporting the results seems to require a 'certificate' (log in with a FAS account) and arcane contortions with Wiki pages. I don't see why I should take the trouble to create a FAS account.
You don't have to. Pages in the Test Day namespace - all Test Day pages - can be edited without an account. Note that you have an 'Edit' link even when you're not logged in. This works.
You also don't need a certificate to log in to most FAS services, BTW. The certificate is really only used for packaging-related activities. Most FAS logins are just username/password, including the Wiki.
Then this business of the Wiki page to post results. I don't find the Wiki 'language' (or html, etc., for that matter) interesting or attractive and I would evade any situation where I would have to use it and I have no inclination to learn even the minimal 'markup' syntax needed to use it. So spending a couple of hours trial and error fumbling to post the result of the tests is not appealing (and whatever I did learn would be forgotten the next day, so I would have to start all over again the next time). I cannot judge if the amount of time needed to create an 'easier' report option is prohibitive (something like a java script questionnaire or whatever).
This is kind of the problem, yes. We know the wiki setup isn't ideal, but it is easy and already done. This topic comes up quite regularly, and the problem is that there's no off-the-shelf system that would work very well for us, and writing our own would be quite a lot of work. tflink has been playing around with rough plans for some kind of test day feedback system, but there are about a dozen other things he could also be working on; it's a question of resource allocation. Of course, if someone wants to step up and write one, that would be great :)
But otherwise very detailed step by step instructions,
written for say a 6 year old child, might entice me to use the present setup.
I'll try and find some time to add better directions, but it's really as simple as 'copy the example line and make the obvious adjustments' - change the name and system info to yours, and put the appropriate results in the appropriate columns. The example line includes examples of all the main results (pass, warn, fail) so you can see how to do each one.
And while we are at it the test page itself could use some cleanup. What's with the reference to 'Smolt' & 'according to these instructions' and clicking on "or the special live image (see below)" refers to a Fedora 18 Live CD: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-23_Intel#Report_your_results
I think most of those have been cleaned up now. We often copy/paste Test Day pages from one release to another, so sometimes old stuff can creep in that way.
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