On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 05:04:34PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 15:19 -0800, Brian Marshall wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a couple issues with the new offline updates feature ("Install
> > Updates & Restart" in the GNOME Shell menu).
> >
> > The first issue: users can no longer review the updates before they install
> > them. The list of updates is not shown at any step of the update process
> > anymore for offline updates.
> >
> > That seems weird to me, and it's a departure from other Linux distros, as
> > well as Windows and OS X. You *can* manually look at the list with the
> > PackageKit GUI or yum itself, but you have to go out of your way to do that
> > - it doesn't pop up as a notification anymore.
> >
> > Are there any plans to let users review these updates, or is that
> > considered something users shouldn't see anymore?
>
> I believe yes, this is just that it hasn't all been hooked up between
> packagekit-gnome and the offline update feature yet. There's a few
> relevant bugs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863592 ,
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687149 ,
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683745 are entry points, I
> think.
That's good to hear, thanks for the links.
> > The second issue: forcing people to restart to install updates will lead to
> > some users (like me) putting off those updates because they don't want to
> > restart, which is insecure.
> >
> > Even though with the way Linux file handles work, running applications
> > wouldn't automatically get security updates anyway, at least newly launched
> > or restarted applications would. Logging out would work for user
> > applications as well. Both of those are less intrusive than a restart.
> >
> > I know you can go to Software -> Check for Updates and bypass offline
> > updates entirely, but that's a lot less convenient than waiting for a
> > "software updates are available" notification and clicking the button
> > there.
> >
> > Was it deemed that increased update procrastination from users is still a
> > worthy trade-off?
>
> Note that you're not 'forced' to restart to install updates - you can still
> do them online with yum.
Indeed, sorry if I implied that. I know that you can bypass it manually - I
meant that since I didn't receive a Shell notification, the "default" way to
install most updates seems to be to use the update & restart menu item.
Although, after reading those GNOME bugs, is not receiving a notification a bug
on its own? I haven't seen an "updates available" notification since I
installed the F18 beta last week.
-- Brian
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