On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 15:19 -0800, Brian Marshall wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a couple issues with the new offline updates feature ("Install Updates &
> Restart" in the GNOME Shell menu).
>
> The first issue: users can no longer review the updates before they install
> them. The list of updates is not shown at any step of the update process
> anymore for offline updates.
>
> That seems weird to me, and it's a departure from other Linux distros, as well
> as Windows and OS X. You *can* manually look at the list with the PackageKit
> GUI or yum itself, but you have to go out of your way to do that - it doesn't
> pop up as a notification anymore.
>
> Are there any plans to let users review these updates, or is that considered
> something users shouldn't see anymore?
I believe yes, this is just that it hasn't all been hooked up between
packagekit-gnome and the offline update feature yet. There's a few
relevant bugs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=863592 ,
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687149 ,
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683745 are entry points, I
think.
> The second issue: forcing people to restart to install updates will lead to
> some users (like me) putting off those updates because they don't want to
> restart, which is insecure.
>
> Even though with the way Linux file handles work, running applications wouldn't
> automatically get security updates anyway, at least newly launched or restarted
> applications would. Logging out would work for user applications as well. Both
> of those are less intrusive than a restart.
>
> I know you can go to Software -> Check for Updates and bypass offline updates
> entirely, but that's a lot less convenient than waiting for a "software updates
> are available" notification and clicking the button there.
>
> Was it deemed that increased update procrastination from users is still a
> worthy trade-off?
Note that you're not 'forced' to restart to install updates - you can
still do them online with yum.
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