On Mon, 2012-09-24 at 16:56 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 09/24/2012 04:32 PM, Tim Flink wrote: > > As we aren't sure if preupgrade will continue to be an officially > > supported upgrade mechanism for F18, I propose to change that criterion > > such that specific upgrade mechanisms are omitted. > > Does not QA need sanction what ever upgrade mechanism they are coming up > with this time? > ( When preupgrade was accepted by whomever that took decision they did > not even bother to a) ask us b) prepare for it ) I'm sure we've had this go-round before, but my opinion is no. QA does not get to veto engineering decisions. However, there is a more general requirement for transparency in new features that I'm really not convinced has been properly followed for newUI. The feature page does not at present contain any description or discussion of several fairly significant features of the new design, including this new upgrade tool and the change in how the root account is handled. I'd say if there's a problem here it's less that QA should get specific sign-off on things like this and more that: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewInstallerUI is extremely vague and really gave no one in the project (this affects all groups, really, not just QA) an understanding that things like 'no more root password by default' and 'completely different upgrade system' were coming. Some of that information might have been buried somewhere in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign , but I'd really expect the feature page to be more detailed and organized, I don't think regular Fedorans should be expected to dig into the background documentation for any given feature to understand broadly what it involves. It's easy to point fingers, but I think FESCo might want to take a lesson from this newUI process for future releases and that lesson should be that major disruptive features should have _much_ better and more definite feature pages. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
