Adam, I suppose it could be the manufacturers fault, I have had this Lenovo ThinkPad T510 for a long time and never had any issues with it. As well, this thing isn't even on my lap it is in a dock with a pretty decent ventilation setup. I know we hear this all the time in this business, but it used to work just fine. Perhaps it is hardware failing, but why then would windows never display any thermal issues, perhaps it is really good at hiding it. Here is the logs from the first few minutes of the system being up: [ 69.065721] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9053, limit 9000 [ 74.055719] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9739, limit 9000 [ 76.346477] nautilus used greatest stack depth: 2400 bytes left [ 94.015696] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9110, limit 9000 [ 96.742668] CPU3: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1) [ 96.742676] CPU2: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1) [ 96.743699] CPU2: Core temperature/speed normal [ 96.743701] CPU3: Core temperature/speed normal [ 99.005684] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9687, limit 9000 [ 103.995677] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9367, limit 9000 [ 108.985716] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9021, limit 9000 [ 113.975683] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9598, limit 9000 [ 133.935783] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9350, limit 9000 [ 138.925640] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9309, limit 9000 [ 158.885623] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9638, limit 9000 [ 163.875602] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9113, limit 9000 [ 193.815559] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 10074, limit 9000 [ 203.795558] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9029, limit 9000 [ 208.785623] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9704, limit 9000 [ 218.765551] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 9386, limit 9000 [ 223.755543] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 10147, limit 9000 [ 238.725550] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg temp 10052, limit 9000 Even by my standards this seems a bit in excess. The fan is working and throttling up and down as would seem to be required. As I said cooling isn't really an issue given the docking. Most thing point me back to F 16. Like I said this machine has never shut down on me because of a thermal event, since upgrading to Fedora 16 it has happened a number of times (4-5 I think). As well kernel debugging was disabled to no avail, though the machine is a bit more responsive now. -Erinn -- test mailing list test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test