I have started (really just started) to try using the MCS capabilities available in FC5 development. As I go through this, some thought occur to me: 1. MCS is intended (as I understand it) to simplify some of the capabilities of the MLS functionality which is now in (or being developed) in FC5. This simplification is intended to make the functionality more acceptable/useable by a wider set of users. This is goodness! This should make an actual MLS system (which stays current) much more possible. 2. As I see it, MCS is "simply" another type of ACL but one which (to me) is a better design (more useable) than the existing ACL capability. However, whereas I can categorize (protect) both files and directories with ACL, I can currently only categorize (protect) files (not directories) with MCS. I consider this to be a problem/deficiency. Consider that when I create new application files (e.g, with openoffice.org), they will not have a category assigned by default. This could leave a sensitive file available for others to access. With directory protection, this could be mitigated. 3. Roles ... right now I don;t see much use of roles in MCS. Now this might be an RFE which will be done later (after stuff basically works), but I see that one way of using MCS would require a user to be able to switch to different roles ("newrole") in order to access files and directories with different categories. The "requirement" is to be able to switch roles and have "all" programs that invoke from that point on run with the new role ... including programs I run from the menu. Right now, the easiest way I see of having different roles is to have different userids and requiring a user to logout/login with the new userid to switch roles. This is for gdm login (gdm could be modified to permit specification of the role). If I use runlevel 3, then I could terminate X, switch roles with "newrole,", and then startx to run in the new role. OK, these are some of my initial reactions ... comments (good, bad, indifferent) solicited. Gene -- fedora-selinux-list mailing list fedora-selinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-selinux-list