On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 08:52:26AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > But.. if you're suggesting that the regularly-packaged libeoffice be > moved out of /usr and into /opt/fedora/apps/libreoffice (or > libreoffice-5.1.6.1 or libreoffice-5.1.6.1-2 or some other variation > incorporating more of the version-release pair) then... that's a big > deal. Yeah, I'm suggesting considering the big deal. That way, we basically get Flatpaks "for free", with no need for forked specfiles or crazy specfile macros (or behind-the-scenes slight-of-hand). > Some will say that it really goes against the whole Unix spirit and the > organizational setup which we've had for 30+ years. I would agree that > it's a break with history, but hipster-coders raised on /Libraries and > /Applications certainly won't care, and if it carries measurable > benefits (beyond just making something internal to flatpaks easier) then > I think there's certainly an argument to be made for it. (The > possibility of having multiple versions is, for me, enticing.) It definitely is a change to the organizational setup Fedora has had. I'm not so sure it goes against the Unix spirit in general -- I'm certainly used to having all sorts of stuff in /opt from back in my sysadmin days. > Really my concern is how you'd deal with the more basic issues: > * How does typing "libreoffice" work? Do you also drop symlinks into > /usr/bin? FHS has a provision for /opt/<provider>/bin -- we could put that /opt/fedora/bin in the default $PATH and use that. > * How do things like desktop configuration, icons and whatnot get > installed where desktops will look for them? Something similar, I guess. :) > * Can these "apps" provide libraries or content used by other "apps" or > even just regular programs on the system? How do those other things > actually find the content? I would suggest no, at least for libraries. Maybe the Modularity initiative people have a different answer here, though. > * Do you allow multiple versions? How does that change the above three > answers? How does ordering work in that case? How do you decide > which version is the "main" one, which gets /usr/bin/libreoffice, > etc.? I think allowing multiple versions would be a nice side-effect, but we *could* say that if you need that, use the Flatpak versions. Maybe the alternatives system could be used to moderate which version owns the shared bin link. > I really hope that the answer for the first three is to just add each of > these directories to various search paths. That gets hilarious pretty > quickly. Yeah, I think that would get out of control. :) -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ packaging mailing list -- packaging@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to packaging-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
