Hello, I'm currently committing on bacula and I've stepped into a few problems with fedora-usermgmt. I think the process is a bit convoluted. It is not even in the guidelines for packaging, so I'm guessing if I can be removed it from the package. According to this page, the yellow box points to another links and states clearly is not part of the packaging guidelines. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageUserCreation - Packages for RHEL 4/5/6 get a dependency on the EPEL repository, which many users would like to avoid on production systems. - Building the package gets a dependency on the EPEL repository for the fedora-usermgmt-devel package even if it is not used at installation time; so again the package cannot be built on RHEL without the EPEL repository. - "%bcond_without fedora", as suggested by the pages, does not work with RHEL 4, as the directive is invalid. - Koji does not accept "--without" arguments even for scratch builds, so I cannot pass the argument as suggested by the page. - Even if building only for RHEL 5+ I cannot build the same package on Koji but need to upload a different package for RHEL. I also tried setting statically a lot %if / %else and distro tags to get a static with/without_fedora inside the spec file but I didn't make any success with it. After a day of frustration I looked at other packages spec files that define uid/gid <100, and I saw that many of them don't use fedora-usermgmt at all (i.e. NetworkManager-openconnect): fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageUserRegistry Basically I will remove all of this stuff: %if 0%{?fedora} > 0 %define with_fedora 1 %else %define without_fedora 1 %endif (or the non-working "%bcond_without fedora") %global uid 33 %global username bacula BuildRequires: fedora-usermgmt-devel %{?FE_USERADD_REQ} %pre common %__fe_groupadd %uid -r %username &>/dev/null || : %__fe_useradd %uid -r -s /sbin/nologin -d /var/spool/bacula -M \ -c 'Bacula Backup System' -g %username %username &>/dev/null || : %postun common %__fe_userdel %username &>/dev/null || : %__fe_groupdel %username &>/dev/null || : With: Requires(pre): shadow-utils %pre common %{_sbindir}/groupadd -g 33 -r bacula &>/dev/null || : %{_sbindir}/useradd -u 33 -r -s /sbin/nologin -d /var/spool/bacula -M \ -c 'Bacula Backup System' -g bacula bacula &>/dev/null || : %postun common test "$1" != 0 || %{_sbindir}/userdel bacula &>/dev/null || : test "$1" != 0 || %{_sbindir}/groupdel bacula &>/dev/null || : Can I simplify everything removing fedora-usermgmt as a requirement? Thanks, --Simone -- You cannot discover new oceans unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore (R. W. Emerson). -- packaging mailing list packaging@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/packaging